Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm sorry to interrupt, but I only have a few seconds left. Another challenge is I imagine you're updating the systems all the time to service the House better virtually. If we don't have people using it, would you be worried about the supports, processes and updates not being rapid enough?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. As always, everything goes through the chair. I want to thank her for constantly reminding us about that. I also want to thank the Speaker for dealing with it with such grace when he was cut off. I appreciate that tremendously. I also want to add my thanks to everyone.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. I've noticed in the last few weeks that I'm seeing an increase of vehicles driving between the blocks, and I don't think that they're parliamentary vehicles. I guess my first question is this: Are there any preliminary plans about, if the precinct grows, how those will be blocked off in a safe way that makes sense and is accessible, of course?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, for staffing. If the precinct grows, I would assume that you are going to need more people doing the work that needs to be done. I'm curious about whether there's been any work on what that expansion would look like.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Madam Chair, as always, through you, I would like to ask one question of both witnesses. I'll leave them to decide who is best to answer it. We've increasingly seen articles about a summer convoy visit, which is concerning, of course. We have some pretty important days, like Canada Day, coming up.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  This is my last question, since I have time for another one. We heard in Chief Jocko's testimony that there was very serious concern, from her perspective, about how the convoy was treated—in terms of their behaviour, their outright plans to overtake the government, and all the things they said—compared to how indigenous folks have been treated when they are protesting and doing things that are, of course, in no way as disruptive as the convoy.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  What is the complaint process? Is there a specific complaint process for indigenous people who feel they are treated differently and want to come forward? We're hearing it again and again, but I'm hearing responses about how this is not the case. That difference in opinion concerns me.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Another issue that's arisen through some testimony is the fact that sometimes indigenous communities want to come here to do sacred work. Sometimes they want to come here to protest an issue. There was a strong sense that how they were reacted to is very different from how other groups were reacted to.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. As always, through you, I want to thank both of the witnesses for being here today, and I respect how difficult it is to testify publicly on things that are so important to us. I appreciate all of your hard work on this. If I could come to you first, Mr.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  In testimony that I heard from the former chief of police here in Ottawa, one of the things that concerned me greatly as a member who walked through it every day was the fact that the whole street in front of Wellington was completely blocked. I asked why there was no attempt to block that street prior to the convoy's arriving.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  During the “freedom convoy”, what were the major areas of concern around security, and how would expanding the precinct help or hinder you in being able to do the work?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  What would largely change if the precinct expanded? It was interesting, again, as a member walking through it. I had a lot of arguments as I walked to work every day, which was not necessarily the best way to experience that, but I also saw a lot of people struggling. What I noted many times were people with mobility issues really having challenges getting through and trying to get places.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Thank you for that, but the other part that is important, as was mentioned by STO earlier, is the idea of security. What we saw profoundly during the convoy was a huge concern about threats to our Parliament, to the very foundation of our democracy in Canada. It sounds like there's an exploration of either going along Wellington or under Sparks Street.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Can I just add one part? One of the questions I was asking was specifically about security. As you are studying both the tunnel and the tramway, is security for people and the capital an essential part of the study?