Justice committee  Yes, and we did not say that denunciation was being given priority.

Justice committee  With respect, we did not say anything about denunciation and deterrence being given priority. Our statement about denunciation simply says, “No evidence has been presented to show that deterrence is an effective strategy”, and we said that adding denunciation does not seem to us to be consistent with the recognition of reduced moral blameworthiness.

Justice committee  Well, I would like to connect with you later, because that's not--

Justice committee  No, I am not, but some members of our coalition are.

Justice committee  I don't have it in front of me, but I did read it.

Justice committee  I would highlight that the Nunn commission talks about short- and long-term protection. I think that's important, if it is added. Also, there were two recommendations in the Nunn commission report, which are not considered at all, that relate to that. I think they're very important, because they talk about other duty bearers.

Justice committee  I'm not going to say whether one was done. I can tell you that the government told us they do it. We're not convinced that they do it, and it has not been made public.

Justice committee  I'm not sure our members work on behalf of the convention, but what I'm flagging here is that when we raised the concern about how the convention is implemented in Canada, we were told an analysis is done before bills go to cabinet. You should ask to see that.

Justice committee  I did not personally, but members of our coalition did, and that's one of the reasons they wanted us to be here today. Some of them participated in Toronto, some in B.C., and they too felt that there was a range of views in those meetings but they did not think that the predominance of what they heard in the meetings they were in went in the direction of this bill.

Justice committee  Thank you very much for this opportunity. I will be highlighting points from the written submission that I believe you have in front of you, and I would certainly invite questions on the other content in the submission as well. Bill C-4 is named Sébastien’s Law to remember a young person killed by another young person.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I would name those, and the Netherlands, on children's rights and I think generally. They have done some excellent consultations, with excellent ways of engaging their public. In terms of federal states, Australia and New Zealand have done very good work in the areas of children's rights.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  You're most welcome.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Regarding children with disabilities, we could have another hour, and I would like to then bring to the table the Canadian Association for Community Living, which is on our board. Their focus is on issues of children with disabilities, and they will be writing a chapter for the alternative report.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I would want to carefully consider each one of those. Certainly there are some positive measures in there, and there are some on which we have concerns or would suggest what a rights-based approach might add. I'll pick up on a couple of those. Certainly we share the priority being given to sexual exploitation, but we would very much value looking at that a little more strongly through the lens of children's rights.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  It's excellent. Our members who work on the issue of children with disabilities are supportive of that measure for sure.