National Defence committee  That's correct.

National Defence committee  No, it's transmitted in a plain language, in our language.

National Defence committee  Yes, it is.

National Defence committee  So the penetration was much higher up, but the closest point they came was 41 miles.

National Defence committee  I know we don't give Russian training to our pilots.

National Defence committee  I think, if I understand you correctly, the two Russian Bears penetrated the CADIZ from the north. At that point, they were 41 nautical miles.

National Defence committee  They were 41 miles from the land mass.

National Defence committee  No. The territorial waters are from the coast line to 12 miles out. The CADIZ is beyond that into international airspace.

National Defence committee  How far beyond that did the plane come?

National Defence committee  Our airplanes were already at the forward operating locations. They originated in Cold Lake, but they had been deployed to the forward operating locations, which we do on a regular basis for training or for this purpose. From that point on, they're not very far away, and at the speed they can operate, they're not very far away from where the Russian Bears were coming in.

National Defence committee  Within the agreement, there are frequencies that we can communicate on to warn each other and to pass these warnings.

National Defence committee  They did it in 2008.

National Defence committee  Yes, this is a fair statement. As I said earlier, we have three documented cases of flight plans being submitted in the last few years, and if I take it to 2007-08, we're talking about some 70 events, so that's not a lot. Contrary to perhaps what was mentioned in a previous session of this committee, and I referred to it in my opening comments, you can claim the START treaty is sufficient warning, but that is not a warning.

National Defence committee  Yes, that's being done, sir.

National Defence committee  Let me explain. You're very familiar with the shape of Canada. At the top of the archipelago, it's in a triangle shape, and you've got coastlines on either side. So our CADIZ, if I can draw it beyond our territorial waters in Canada, from the U.S. border it will go completely outside of the land mass to the northwest, outside of the land mass as well.