Transport committee  No, I mean effective in the sense that it provides absolutely no operational guidance to stakeholders who are subject to this bill and who are impacted by this bill. If I have—

Transport committee  Yes, I did.

Transport committee  We did it, sir, at the end of April.

Transport committee  Mr. Volpe, I will correct the record right now. The record is that we filed our amendments to our tariffs last spring, sir, at the end of April. Your facts are incorrect, sir. We have filed them with the Canadian Transportation Agency. It took a little longer, sometimes, than we thought it would, because unfortunately the CTA does have its rules of procedures and needs advance notice.

Transport committee  Mr. Volpe, it didn't take eight months after I told you that, sir. Please, I would ask you to—

Transport committee  Sir, I'd like to answer your questions, if you'd give me the chance.

Transport committee  May I answer the question, sir?

Transport committee  The point we're trying to make, Mr. Volpe.... With respect, Mr. Volpe—

Transport committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. We have said very clearly the problem here is that we are the ones being penalized. But the problem is that this bill does not take into account the aviation supply chain that, for example, Monsieur Laframboise just a few minutes ago alluded to in his case about Cubana, when he said it's not necessarily about the airline, there may be other factors involved.

Transport committee  Well, to us and on the record as well.

Transport committee  No, no, these are independent associations.

Transport committee  Absolutely. These are associations that have expressed independently their concern.

Transport committee  I don't have it and I'm not prepared to divulge that on behalf of individual member carriers, Mr. Volpe.

Transport committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and honourable members. We're very pleased to be here today to have a chance to comment on Bill C-310. It was my intention to allow my colleague Brigitte Hébert, director of operations of the NACC, to open with a 10-minute statement. She'll do that, but with your indulgence, I'd like to take the opportunity to add some facts to the debate that has begun here on a specific issue by the previous witness, and that would be concerning Air Canada flight 32 from Beijing to Toronto.