Afghanistan committee  [Inaudible--Editor]...play like a child--

Afghanistan committee  What I was asked about General Hillier, what he said, I am saying that's not true. What he said is not true.

Afghanistan committee  I did not say any level; I said any department that had anything to do with anything--

Afghanistan committee  Don't put words in my mouth. I know you're a politician. You know how to play with words. But do not insult my intelligence. Let me answer. What I said is on the record. And there's more than one person in this room who's listening to us. So you don't have to make up things as you go along.

Afghanistan committee  I said that any department at any level that had anything to do with the transferring of detainees knew what NDS does to detainees. That's what I said. That's what I'm repeating. And I will continue to say the same thing.

Afghanistan committee  Yes.

Afghanistan committee  Captain Garon was not working as a part of ASIC.

Afghanistan committee  I worked with him. He was training the ANA.

Afghanistan committee  About who?

Afghanistan committee  As I said, in the military there's a chain of command. If you speak to a person and he says that's not his chain of command, I'm not wasting my time going to someone who cannot do anything or cannot provide any help. I was talking to those who could do something about it.

Afghanistan committee  When you speak to a person like Menard...he was my boss. He was my chain of command. His chain of command was Major Desjardins. Major Desjardins' boss was Lieutenant-Commander Weinhoff. Weinhoff's commander was somebody else. So that's how the chain of command--

Afghanistan committee  My job was to let my chain of command know, and his job was to let his chain of command know.

Afghanistan committee  Yes, this is a transfer detainee document, which were given during the transfer to NDS.

Afghanistan committee  I have probably translated more than 40 or 50 of these documents, and these documents are actually detainee transfer documents that were given to NDS during the transfers. When I was translating this document, I always asked the tactical questioners, I said, “Here you say that it's for further questioning by NDS--they should be transferred for further questioning.

Afghanistan committee  I was always asking, joking with them, because we were working in one room. I would say, “Should I translate this...?” Because they were subcontracting torture.