Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Yes. That was the “Arthur, what's going on?” call.

Government Operations committee  I don't remember if it was an exchange or whether I simply sent her an e-mail that said: Please call me; I just tried to call you.

Government Operations committee  I disagree.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  There is no inconsistency.

Government Operations committee  It would seem that the only thing Mr. Jaffer brought to the table was his supposed access. Appreciate the scheme that was laid out to me by Mr. Snowdy. Mr. Gillani and Mr. Jaffer are holding themselves out as venture capitalists, and they are charging people venture capital fees.

Government Operations committee  So the whole thing would collapse under its own weight. Why would you pay somebody a fee to access their funds when they don't have any funds? What they were effectively paying a fee for was, “Now Mr. Jaffer is going to open up government to me and I'll get the funds from government”?

Government Operations committee  I'm not able to characterize his conduct as criminal or naive or what have you. I'd simply repeat my last answer: anyone holding themselves out as a venture capitalist when they have no venture capital in back of them--that's highly questionable conduct. I hope no one in this room would disagree with that.

Government Operations committee  Again, I am not here--

Government Operations committee  I haven't reviewed their testimony in detail, but it seems to me that at one point Mr. Gillani went to the trouble of impeaching Mr. Jaffer, so you probably don't need my characterization. It looks like there's a clear impeachment on the record with two partners, one turning on the other.

Government Operations committee  Again, I'm not certain that she was, to use your phrase, “thrown out of caucus”. I explained to you the way Ms. Guergis explained it to me, and it was an ambiguous statement. I've never traced that down to see which way the ambiguity is resolved.

Government Operations committee  She said she was stepping away from caucus. That could have been her decision or it could have been somebody else's decision.

Government Operations committee  That was the allegation by Mr. Snowdy, yes, and it would seem that attending business dinners, on its face, could give rise to that type of assertion.

Government Operations committee  She brought it to my attention, but in making the statement she did, she made an inconsistent statement from a previous statement she had made to me.