Citizenship and Immigration committee  I want to open by saying in 1933 the Supreme Court of Canada recognized the fundamental principle in the prerogative of mercy case. Deportation is not a punishment. You are not to use deportation as a punishment, but that's what this legislation seems to be doing. You have six mo

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Can I just add that it's not—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  You don't need to have this in order to do it. On the concern about smuggling, the offences are increased in this legislation. That's great. On the concerns you have about people abusing the system, speed it up. Make it expeditious. That's the best way to keep the people out of t

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I just don't understand how the five-year bar addresses that issue. I can understand what you're saying, but how does the five-year bar on recognized refugees address it? It doesn't.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Well, you're going to hear it—a lot.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I think mode of arrival is not a legitimate basis for making a distinction between people. It just isn't—when they're recognized as refugees.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I know that in some places they've gone to geographic restrictions in terms of where they can live. They have to live within a certain city or something like that, which might be a more appropriate way of handling it in some instances, so you know where people are.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  As I understand it, if a husband, wife and two kids come, or just the husband and wife, they can be designated. It requires more than two and—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  —some involvement of smuggling or whatever. In any event, I don't care if it applies to one person or 3,000 people. It's wrong to detain someone arbitrarily for a year without having a detention review. The Supreme Court said that in Charkaoui .

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Well, I won in the Supreme Court. Sorry.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  That's already in the legislation. I think you should look at the history of the MV Sun Sea cases. Those people were detained for months while there were investigations as to who they were, while there were background checks done to determine if they were security threats. The

Citizenship and Immigration committee  They stay in detention for a long time. The government was very aggressive through that process. If anyone was ordered released, they went to court and challenged it.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  My understanding is that there's a 12-month bar on release unless they're recognized as refugees within that time period. The thing about it is that we live in a country where we respect liberty. You don't detain people if there's not a need to detain. If you know who they are, y

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Those people are already being detained by the immigration division members. You don't need this legislation to do that.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Let me tell you, I'm losing money by coming here.