Procedure and House Affairs committee  There are a lot of things at play, so foreign interference came up in the context of conversations regularly, but specific briefings on foreign interference were a lot fewer.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm sure there are a number of files, not just this file, where we would have a conversation and they would say, “We think it's important that the Prime Minister is briefed on this,” and we would say, “Yes, sure.”

Procedure and House Affairs committee  To brief the PM alone...?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I wouldn't recall. I wouldn't know.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  National security is a big business—

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It wouldn't be appropriate for me to speak about this one way or the other, even if there was.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  No, because you're entering into real specifics, and I don't think it would be appropriate for me to talk about this in an open forum.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I used that example just to show how society evolved. In 2015, when we issued that notice, we had a few criticisms. They were in the media, and they were primarily from retired former diplomats here who felt that it was insensitive to go that directly about putting foreign missions on notice.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It means China. Any diaspora should not be subject to undue surveillance or intimidation by a foreign state.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The CSIS Act was written in a non-digital world. What happens now is, very often, you will see the Federal Court saying to CSIS, “We understand you want to do that because business is done that way now, but we don't think your act, as it reads right now, authorizes you to do this.”

Procedure and House Affairs committee  They did happen.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I am not sure.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  First of all, I have to tell you that, personally, it's an issue that's very dear to my heart, because of my three children two of them have Asian partners and one of them is Chinese. I just had a new granddaughter who is half Chinese and half Caucasian. We've tried, and I think that the agencies have made a good effort to try to reach out to the communities.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Of course.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  As Mr. Fergus knows, the only thing you're keeping me from is knowing whether our local team, which is right now ranked number one in Canada, the Gatineau Olympiques, are doing well, but....