Transport committee  No, there was nothing at all like that. Minister Flaherty was wonderful to work with, God rest his soul. He always wanted to hear ideas. If he travelled and I happened to be in that city, we would meet, but we never had any questions.

Transport committee  First of all, McKinsey didn't change the approach of what the CIB would be. That was done on the growth council, as mentioned. Second, a very clear procurement process was followed. You heard that from Janice at the outset and from Bruno. There was a process; other consultants were considered.

Transport committee  What I'm saying is that McKinsey was not managing my agenda whatsoever. The request I received was from Michael Sabia to speak with him. I will respond to him when he asks if it's on the growth council. I have no issue with that. I don't know what they found out.

Transport committee  I would ask Michael Sabia about how that was set up. I have no idea what they were doing or where it was. The request I received was from Michael Sabia. I'm not on any of those emails. I don't understand where that was—

Transport committee  No, I don't.

Transport committee  It does.

Transport committee  I have no idea. What I remember is hearing Mark Wiseman. He spoke quite a lot. It was then just a conversation with Michael Sabia. That's all I recall. I don't actually recall the details, except that it was, I think, at the most half an hour, because I was coming from a dinner that I wanted to finish before joining.

Transport committee  I actually think it does. Again, just to the debate, we had very serious debates on pretty well every single issue that was there. We had a group of very strong-minded individuals. I cannot underscore enough the importance of that debate and discussion. There were people who, for example, thought that the infrastructure target should be much more significant than it actually was.

Transport committee  I totally disagree with you. Again, that was a request from Michael Sabia. I did not see that at all as a McKinsey thing. I recall that as a request from Michael Sabia. I didn't see any of those emails, so I don't know what they said or where they were, but I didn't receive the emails you're talking about.

Transport committee  At Davos, I organized a group of about 20 business leaders from around the world to meet the Prime Minister. Secondly, just on your first question—

Transport committee  Yes. Thank you very much. Just on the point that was being made about where the recommendations came from, I'll reinforce again that the growth council made the decision. McKinsey wasn't part of those deliberations. When we made recommendations, it was just the growth council there.

Transport committee  We had a lot of discussions on this. Again, it's unfortunate that Mr. Morneau is not here, because you could hear his view on it, or talk to, I think, Paul Rochon, who was the deputy minister at the time. There was a clear arrangement designed with the McKinsey support team in terms of what they could do and not do.

Transport committee  Yes. I was the chair of the council, moving things forward. I don't think that had any linkage to what the secretariat team was doing. Every single member of the council would have had some sort of potential conflict, if you will, but I didn't see any issue with that, nor did the secretariat that we were working with.

Transport committee  I did that as a private individual. As I mentioned, I think giving back to Canada is good. I've done this in other countries in which I've lived—South Korea, Singapore—

Transport committee  I think it was clear from the outset of my testimony, too, that McKinsey provided pro bono support and provided basic facts if there were requests from the growth council.