Public Accounts committee  Our interpretation is that it's $4.9 million, but the aspect of—

Public Accounts committee  I'm just telling you the facts from our side. We actually went out to the Auditor General on the 30th—

Public Accounts committee  No, I did not.

Public Accounts committee  Since the beginning. I came to them in 2002 with my first contract.

Public Accounts committee  I appreciate the backdrop. It's been difficult. There is no easy button when it comes to working with the government. Many corporations die on the vine because of the fact that they just can't handle the actual process for actually winning contracts. I agree with you on the fact that Canadians are struggling and that some of the people don't understand how to actually process successful contracting mechanisms, but in the end, it's very competitive.

Public Accounts committee  I believe that Colin came into Coradix a number of years ago, but again, I've been working at DND two gates deep for a long time and have not had exactly a lot of interaction with Colin.

Public Accounts committee  I wasn't aware of that. Sorry.

Public Accounts committee  I can only attest to what I know, and that is I've known Colin since he came to Coradix. I was not aware of his previous employment.

Public Accounts committee  It's always a conversation. It will always be a conversation. Yes, I'll have a conversation with Colin.

Public Accounts committee  No, it's not normal. Of course not.

Public Accounts committee  I can tell you this. In Canada with our taxation system and everything being so expensive with inflation and everything else, whether you're a government employee or whether you're someone else not working with the government, there's likely a chance that you might have something else on the side to help pay the bills and put groceries on your table.

Public Accounts committee  Again this is my own perception. Whether they have corporations or whether they have things after hours, that's their own business. I can tell you that from my perspective, I'm out doing what I need to do for the government during the day, but then I'm an entrepreneur at night and trying to do other things.

Public Accounts committee  In my opinion anyway, Dalian has been a very good success story up until recently with all of this hype about me being an employee prior to the ArriveCAN days and during ArriveCAN. This is what PSAB actually does for us. It allows us to be able to be a part of the solution with the government as far as indigenous companies are concerned and to learn about how to interact with the government through contracting, through procurement and through staffing and all of the other aspects that go along with that, so absolutely, yes.

Public Accounts committee  I would absolutely agree with that, yes, for sure.

Public Accounts committee  Well, it's your policy. I understand that we go through audits, but I think that's a normal course of action for ISC in its entirety, not just for our company.