Government Operations committee  It is.

Government Operations committee  There are two components to the Treasury Board appropriation. Vote 1 is our program expenditure. This is the vote available to the department to manage itself. It's operating costs and programs. The other votes that we see listed under the Treasury Board Secretariat are, in fact, what we call central votes, which exist for the management of the public service as a whole.

Government Operations committee  The member is speaking of the supplementary estimates (C).

Government Operations committee  Vote 20 is a central vote administered by the Treasury Board Secretariat on behalf of the Public Service Commission of Canada. In particular, vote 20 is in respect of pension and benefit programs for public service and Canadian Forces members. In particular, the request for $196.2 million in supplementary estimates (C) is to address a funding shortfall under the service income security insurance plan.

Government Operations committee  Sorry, the actual number of soldiers...?

Government Operations committee  Yes, I would have that for you. I just want to make clear that vote 20 is an amalgam of a number of different benefit plans available to Canadian Forces. I was just speaking to the program known as SISIP, the service income security insurance plan. There is an additional amount required in vote 20c, and that is for, as per your question, the recent benefit changes under the health care plan.

Government Operations committee  No. This increase is driven by changes to the benefit plan, such as elective eye surgery, aerotherapeutics devices—sleep apnea support—psychological services to account for—

Government Operations committee  Certainly, we'll look at that. Perhaps while we're doing that.... We are dealing with two documents: supplementary estimates (C) and the main estimates.

Government Operations committee  It would help us if you could do that. With the Canada School of Public Service, we are seeing a program expenditure, vote 1, of $53.8 million in this year's main estimates. This time it is an increase over last year's main estimate of $39.9 million. The increase is driven by a change in mandate.

Government Operations committee  Very briefly, Mr. Chair, just by way of context and to pick up on some of the items from the last round, there was a great deal of interest in the issue of the budget and sunsetting, and the order in which information is presented, supporting, again, your point about the primacy of parliamentary control and approval of the estimates documents.

Government Operations committee  Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Joining me today is Marcia Santiago, executive director of expenditure operations.

Government Operations committee  Also with us is Renée Lafontaine, chief financial officer for the Treasury Board Secretariat.

Government Operations committee  With her is her deputy, Grace Chenette, deputy chief financial officer.

Government Operations committee  I would have two points for you. The first is that—

Government Operations committee  As the minister has said, we're expecting a budget, and as was made clear at the beginning, the budget provides a source of funds not only potentially for Marine Atlantic but for a number of other programs and initiatives. Organizations—