Public Safety committee  There were no considerations, no executive committee conversations, about looking to expand the farms at those points in time.

Public Safety committee  Do you mean why farm operations were not expanded?

Public Safety committee  As I've said here before, the reality of an inmate finding a job after release from penitentiary is very strongly associated with their ability to stay and function in the community as a productive citizen. Having a job that's not seasonal, a job that's permanent, a job that gives an economic livelihood is a strong measure of offenders' ability to stay out in the community as productive people.

Public Safety committee  Okay.

Public Safety committee  Okay.

Public Safety committee  Thirty-three years.

Public Safety committee  I don't actually have that information with me. I could hazard a guess, but I prefer not to. If you'd prefer, I'd like to go through the detail, unless you have them, Liette. No?

Public Safety committee  Again, I would point out that we are just starting the process for replacement. A number of these items require seeking opportunities that exist. As these become more realistic and advance, certainly without question we will be talking with inmates about replacement jobs. Some discussions are under way as we speak, but we're too early in the process to be able to completely communicate all the different things we're going to do.

Public Safety committee  I'm sorry, do a study on the people? I didn't quite understand.

Public Safety committee  Like I said before, it's an integration. It's more than employability. It's the programs we continue to deliver, it's the violence prevention programs, the substance abuse issues, the education.

Public Safety committee  That's correct.

Public Safety committee  That's correct.

Public Safety committee  It's $4 million.

Public Safety committee  Yes, the actual total is three million, nine hundred and....if you want the exact--

Public Safety committee  To answer your first question, we have not done a look in terms of work with mental health and livestock. No, I'm not aware of the program that you referred to in San Francisco.