Information & Ethics committee  No, it's that this person is coming, and we have all the evidence we need that they've conspired to commit a crime—

Information & Ethics committee  From our point of view, we determine whether it's evidence or not. We have collaborations, obviously, with the hydro sector and other major infrastructure industries that have internal corporate security. Yes, if we identify a person who has a certain affiliation with a certain group, we alert them to let them know that they should keep an eye on that individual.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, and I'll talk about the Public Complaints Commission because that's the number one watchdog. As you know, with the recent O'Connor report and stuff like that, in the near future the RCMP will have an oversight committee and a governance structure. Throughout Canada your municipal boards, police boards, and committees can take action long before it gets to the Privacy Commissioner if somebody misuses the information.

Information & Ethics committee  The contradiction between our saying we have the excellent relationship in regard— Okay, Art.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Not really. Most of the time we have good relations and good cooperation with contractors. However, as we say, there are still problems with 30% or 40% of them, who refuse to give us personal information because, according to their lawyers, it's really prohibited to give us that information.

Information & Ethics committee  We want to take back the risk. The reality is that the way you've worded it, you've transferred the risk to them. In 30% to 40% of the cases, their legal advisers are telling them that they could be held out to dry if they give this information freely. So we're not asking for an obligation, we're—

Information & Ethics committee  We shouldn't be disclosing it to anybody else.

Information & Ethics committee  No. That's correct.

Information & Ethics committee  If we have a production order, or a warrant, or any other judicial authorization, then if they refuse we move through the judicial process.

Information & Ethics committee  We need to be consulted before they release the information to the individual on whom we're seeking information, because of the severity or level. And sometimes it heightens one's anxiety. Oftentimes we're working on just a tip, or there's a malicious person trying to implicate somebody in something that they're not doing.

Information & Ethics committee  I can speak on that for a second. On a day-to-day basis, dealing with the registry of motor vehicles and stuff like that, you get that on an immediate basis. The reality is that there's no other act other than—We use it in order to give us the empowerment to conduct the review or the investigation.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, you're correct. Under the access to information, if people access stuff, it's vetted to make sure third parties are protected. No names are disclosed, it deals with the specific question of an individual without jeopardizing the rights and freedoms and privacies of other people.

Information & Ethics committee  And there's the proceeds of crime legislation, when they move forward to do a net worth or analyze the assets of an individual.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, sir. What we're saying is that out of the 800 ISPs we have to date—and that industry is growing—