Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  Well, I don't know. All I can say is I had no contact with—

Public Accounts committee  That's correct. However, I do have a copy of Hansard where she was questioned. I can't remember the members at this time. It could have been Sorenson and Anderson from maybe out west. I don't know if anybody is here....

Public Accounts committee  They questioned her at the time, why she wasn't investigating the Commissioner of the RCMP, and I believe her response was—and I'm just paraphrasing—well, there's no reason to.

Public Accounts committee  I think others would maybe be better suited to respond. I think it was around 2000 that they started it, and when it was finally stopped, when they stopped the money, was in about 2003, when I first made the complaint. There was another $14 million that was allocated, and I think they pulled that back, but $40 million was spent by that time.

Public Accounts committee  That was between 2000 and 2003. But the project kept going and is still ongoing today.

Public Accounts committee  But I think once the audit report was done, in around 2003, a lot of things were stopped. A lot of contracting was stopped.

Public Accounts committee  Except for the insurance. They just kept on doing the same old thing with the insurance.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, Mr. Sweet, I have direct knowledge of it. I was involved in both criminal investigations, and I made both formal complaints. On May 28, 2003, I went to the commissioner personally in his office. I gave him the information about the pension fund misappropriations, plus other issues that may have been internal issues, such as harassment, abuse of authority, and so on.

Public Accounts committee  So I said, “What are you doing that for?” And he said, “Well, I'm going to do an internal audit.” Well, knowing the internal audit process, I said that as soon as they find wrongdoing--and we knew they had it, because Chief Superintendent Macaulay and Denise Revine had provided documentation, plenty of documentation--they're going to have to stop and continue with the proper investigation, which would be internal or criminal.

Public Accounts committee  This is Assistant Commissioner Gessie Clément. So now I have no avenue. I have to find another avenue to get this investigation going again. My contact, coincidentally, happened to be Assistant Commissioner Barb George, while she was the chief superintendent at the time, and we had been dealing with other matters.

Public Accounts committee  —however, he told me “go outside the RCMP, I can't do it either”. Then he resigned shortly afterwards.

Public Accounts committee  He was excellent. He was a very good supporter—

Public Accounts committee  I informed her, the Minister of the Treasury Board, who was Reg Alcock at the time, and the Auditor General herself with the same memo and a package of information to bring their attention to what was going on. Yes, that was required to get the investigation going a second time.

Public Accounts committee  Not only was I interviewed by them in November, as we all were, but I had been in contact with them for several years, because without their help this investigation wasn't going to be started. I had to contact them, the Treasury Board minister, and the minister of the day, Anne McLellan, because the investigation took another year to get started after it was stopped the first time, and I had to force a new investigation.