Information & Ethics committee  Or even if it was just about the Conservative Party. You could argue that even if it was just for the Conservative Party, it was a national ad, one of more ads on TV. You might say that by throwing these ads on TV, just like they do down in the States, they're much more effective.

Information & Ethics committee  There are regional buys, there are national buys, there are local buys. There are all kinds of buys. There's all kinds of money spent on advertising during an election campaign.

Information & Ethics committee  For the advertising business, but I'm in the banking business.

Information & Ethics committee  In the last elections for the PC Party in Trinity—Spadina before it merged, I spent $5,000 on a campaign. The guy only got votes because there was a national campaign. Five thousand dollars just doesn't do it.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  I doubt it.

Information & Ethics committee  I would have contacted a number of people—the Ontario regional organizers and the Toronto organizers—because, as a president, that's who I contact.

Information & Ethics committee  My Toronto regional...Karma McGregor and Tasha....

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, she's in the Ottawa office here.

Information & Ethics committee  That is correct. I am the president right now.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, I have. I've actually been a special agent for the past eight years. I've done about eight elections provincially and federally, so I have gone through training courses. We actually have a training college. Now we have one in Scarborough, but it used to be just south of Barrie.

Information & Ethics committee  That is correct.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, of course. We push training.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Oh yes.