Human Resources committee  To very clear, is that dealing with so-called conservation measures that are referred to in subsection (2.4)? Because I must say...

Human Resources committee  I'll take a first shot at it. I agree with your statement, Mr. Hiebert. Some might say it just affects the federally regulated company. That is not the case. These companies are federally regulated for a reason. Although Madame Lavallée talks about the Société des alcools du Québec , we're not talking about the Société des alcools du Québec ; we are talking about companies that provide the kind of framework services Canadians depend on.

Human Resources committee  I am.

Human Resources committee  I simply want to point out to Ms. Lavallée that in our presentation, on pages 6 and 7, we quote figures that establish the difference between the situation in Quebec and the situation faced by industries that fall under federal jurisdiction. That is perhaps something you could take a look at.

Human Resources committee  No, not at all.

Human Resources committee  I think that I see the question of balance from a different perspective. A strike or a lock-out is never good for employees or employers, and it is never desirable to have to hire replacement workers. From what I can see, this bill aims at eliminating the possibility for a company under federal jurisdiction to continue to produce its goods and services.

Human Resources committee  That is how I see the situation. So there is clearly a balance between employers and employees, but there is also a balance in society. You want to be able to say that Canadians, in some way that is very respectful of the rights of both sides, will not be deprived of essential services or services that will continue to give them what they need.

Human Resources committee  Thank you very much, Chair. I am accompanied here by Rob McKinstry, senior policy analyst with the Canadian Chamber, and I'm the president and CEO of the chamber. We represent more than 170,000 businesses from every industry, every region of Canada, every sector, and our members are deeply concerned about the impact of this bill.

Environment committee  Once again, I'm not aware of the specifics of other countries' initiatives, but I do agree with Mr. Dillon. When it comes to looking at substantial changes to, let's say, power generation, which is one of the largest emitters anywhere around the world, including in Canada, you have to go through a process of debating whether you are moving to a different technology.

Environment committee  Mr. Godfrey, I think you may have taken liberties with some of the text in my presentation. I would disagree with some of your characterizations. We don't argue about the importance of climate change. We totally agree with the importance of climate change and the importance of Canada doing something about it and being part of the international effort to so do.

Environment committee  The answer is no, not without serious damage--

Environment committee  I think under some estimates you could meet those targets if you reduced economic activity in this country by something like 30% over the next five years--

Environment committee  --if we closed down factories and power plants, etc.--

Environment committee  Our organization would not favour, for example, Mr. Bramley's approach about purchasing international credits.

Environment committee  That is domestic?