Government Operations committee  No, I don't.

Government Operations committee  Dinner at Sassafraz.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Actually, no, that's not true.

Government Operations committee  That's not true. I agreed to pay for it. Individuals paid for it. They were supposed to submit expenses to me, and I would have paid for it. I agreed to recoup those expenses, but nothing was submitted. So to be correct here, he paid for his own trip, and Dr. Chen paid for his own trip.

Government Operations committee  --and pay it back, but nobody submitted anything to me.

Government Operations committee  Absolutely.

Government Operations committee  He told me once that he got feedback from the feds and it was positive, that there was some positive indication of interest, at that point he would want to sit down with us and put together a more formal agreement that outlined how the compensation was going to be passed through to them, in whatever way.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  You know, I don't. That's how I see it. Again, I did not dive into lobbying laws as much as I will. I purposely have not done a lot of research on lobbying so that I would come to this committee in the same form that I was in when this happened.

Government Operations committee  No. I mean, you know, if I thought they were lobbying government, I would tell you so. My understanding is that they approached.... One project of ours got to the government and they responded with queries. Certainly you would think, if you were getting an application from someone and they weren't a registered lobbyist and then you were responding to them with requests for information, that in and of itself is a bit of a query to me as to how the government deals with this....

Government Operations committee  Absolutely.

Government Operations committee  As far as I was concerned, absolutely, yes.

Government Operations committee  It's about the resources and the time that people are willing to commit to projects. In the business world you're always looking for individuals who are willing to commit their time and make a significant effort for your project. We all got that, and it was the same thing to the combination of the people there and to Dr.

Government Operations committee  The only link that I have to Derrick Snowdy that we have found is that Derrick Snowdy exists on a shareholder list belonging to a company called HD Retail Solutions. We were involved in taking this company public. We met that company February 2009, to begin with, and in December 2009, this company declared bankruptcy.