Government Operations committee  One of our engineers would do that.

Government Operations committee  Gillani.

Government Operations committee  That's part of it.

Government Operations committee  He would have had that in our description, because we have a standing description of what we do for people. We would take that type of description anywhere we went. That would be common. People could get that anywhere. We would have handed that over to people.

Government Operations committee  I didn't know the details.

Government Operations committee  No. Nobody ever mentioned lobbying, and I didn't know about lobbying. You have to go back there. It's not today. Today I know, because I see it. To go back there, I had no idea. I didn't even know you could lobby.

Government Operations committee  Never. I mean, if he said that, I'd look at him and say, “You gotta be pulling my other leg”. Come on, that's daft, absolutely dopey. He never even tried it.

Government Operations committee  Mr. Gillani would have liked to take it somewhere, but not where I'd go. First of all, he was introduced to me through one of my associates by one of his associates. I didn't really want to meet him because they said he wanted to take it public. I said, “I'm not going public”.

Government Operations committee  That's him promoting it.

Government Operations committee  Yes. She sent me a copy of it.

Government Operations committee  He must have called her.

Government Operations committee  There never was any anticipation. I only asked her as I would ask any MP. I asked the MPP up there, Garfield Dunlop. I went into his office in Midland and solicited him as well. I never got anything from him either.

Government Operations committee  As I said before, Mr. Jaffer and Mr. Gillani are very nice men. I met them, and they were nice men. But they're not professional. They're not sharp. They're not business guys, you know what I mean? They're not on the game. They don't know how business works. There's no way we give people money unless they do something for it.

Government Operations committee  No.

Government Operations committee  No.