Industry committee  But for a truck carrying home heating oil, the tolerance is 0.25%. It's smaller even than for gas pumps. So you would have maybe 40% or 35% of the meters--

Industry committee  The tolerance is 0.25%. So if for example we look at 400 litres--

Industry committee  --that would be one litre. That's the tolerance.

Industry committee  It could be off two litres.

Industry committee  It's hard to say. For a truck.... I would have to look at our stats to see the average error that has been found.

Industry committee  We need equipment to test truck-mounted meters that measure home heating oil. We have portable and fixed provers, and testing involves delivering oil in the provers.

Industry committee  There are environmental issues. We have to be careful. We cannot do that anywhere, because there are safety and environmental issues. We cannot do those tests anywhere. Yes, we can test those devices, but again it's....

Industry committee  No, it's not 50%. What we said before is that 60% of them are not measuring accurately, but the error is close to the tolerance. It's not 50% measurement error, but 60% of them had measurement problems.

Industry committee  It depends what you mean by “fine“. We have--

Industry committee  The only tool we have for enforcement right now is prosecution. Over the last five years, we've had one prosecution by us, but also one prosecution by the Sûreté du Québec, because we started an investigation and we found there was a problem and we worked with the police and decided to prosecute under other legislation.

Industry committee  No, it's set in the act, and Bill C-14 is changing that.

Industry committee  We don't have a clear explanation as to why it's more biased towards traders versus consumers. It could be wear and tear. In some cases that is more a natural transition in the measuring of the devices. If those are calibrated on a regular basis, it would address that problem.

Industry committee  It is possible, yes, that some technology, some types of devices, may wear down in a certain way that would penalize consumers. Again, introducing regular calibration and certification would address that. Yes, we have no evidence that this is a general approach by industry.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  That's right. Well, $20 million is lost by consumers.