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Electoral Reform committee  Yesterday, I heard the minister explain to you why $8 million or $10 million had been allocated to her department, the Privy Council Office, and $300,000 was allocated to you. I think that the committee should play a leading role. I agree that the government has a responsibility, but the government is the government.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  I cannot answer in 10 seconds. Could I answer this question in the second round?

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  As we say in Latin, tempus fugit. In practice, you have a very tight schedule. I grant you that, and I agree. However, as members of a Parliamentary committee, you have access to everything that has been done in Canada by various citizen assemblies, to the systems they considered and to those other Canadians will talk to you about.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  I also referred to Canadians in my comment, Mr. Deltell. I should have perhaps mentioned it first, but I was thinking logically in terms of the procedure you have to follow here. That's all. When it comes to ways to find out how Canadians feel, we are in a representative democracy, and we encourage you to consult your constituents to give you some food for thought.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  I wanted to frame it in those terms because that should be the reality. If there are five candidates and you must vote for one of the five, I don't believe in compulsory voting in that situation. I made that very clear. In the year 2000, when I expressed myself in the media—and it took me 16 years to come back to that particular issue, in a sense—I said that we should be considering it.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  There are systems that would allow for some kind of direct rapport. What I'm saying to you is you must weigh very carefully if it's going to be a system that is equated with, mainly, proportional representation. In other words, if 30 seats are going to be decided in this particular province by a proportional system, and there are 210 candidates if you multiply by seven or whatever, then what is the link between the elector and the elected among those 30?

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  Mr. Deltell, it was also a great pleasure for me to meet you. I have actually been watching your evolution on the provincial stage, in Quebec, with a great deal of respect. For me, a fair and equitable process is exactly what you are currently doing: considering the possible choices, the weight of major factors associated with each of them, assessing the advantages and the disadvantages—and we know that there is no perfect system—and, finally, determining which system is best for Canadians in your opinion.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  It is my view that we owe an explanation to the people who feel that way, and they are numerous. There are many people. There's Fair Vote Canada, and they encompass a lot of other organizations. We need to bring them into the fold somehow.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  I was highlighting several aspects that have come forward for a number of years about how power is concentrated. The system that was established by Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau—and I was a middling public servant at the time, but I was participating in it—was meant to ensure that there was a unity of direction on the part of the government, as opposed to ministers flying off in directions that were contrary to what the party wanted.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  We would have to do that even if we were to raise it as a constitutional question, because there are references in there that no longer apply and they need to be rectified by Parliament. At the same time, it would allow an opportunity to review the financing regime and other aspects.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  I'm alluding to the fact that right now in the western provinces people voted one way. There's representation here, and some parties are under-represented. This body's missing in caucus. If we go to eastern Canada, the reverse is there. If we go to Quebec, it's the same thing: there are fewer Conservatives than should be there.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  I was making an allusion to what is called an open list, which is where the electors rank, within the same party, which one they prefer. I've never been a candidate, but I'm saying that if I were a candidate and my name was fifth on that list, and I'm expecting only four to be elected, I would really bust my proverbial to be among the first four.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  Do you want to know where I would introduce proportionality in the results?

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley

Electoral Reform committee  That brings me to answer the question that was put to me. I would now like all the media to listen carefully. I was not making a proposal, but rather a suggestion, since I have not had the time to develop it. That being said, here is my suggestion. Since Canada is so vast, we would keep the first-past-the-post system for remote, rural or large ridings.

July 7th, 2016Committee meeting

Jean-Pierre Kingsley