Government Operations committee  The first challenge that we found was that we wanted departments to take a whole-of-department view on the most cost-effective and most impactful actions by first getting a good sense of the metrics, a good sense of where the emissions are per department, and then what actions they can take.

Government Operations committee  No. We're working very closely with DND as the biggest emitter. They're on my speed-dial, if you wish. They have an energy and environment strategy. Also, if you look at their strong, secure and engaged defence strategy, you'll see a lot in there on carbon reduction. Again, the DND energy and environment strategy is on the web.

Government Operations committee  Yes. There is an engagement section to the strategy that talks very much about how we can partner with communities, be good neighbours and work on synergies where it's a win-win situation; where we need more clean power and the community is producing clean power. We want departments to take advantage of that.

Government Operations committee  We have looked at DND facilities, because, of course, they are by far the biggest chunk of our emissions. When you look at their bases, heat and electricity are ultimately the two main things. When you look at the size of the bases, the emissions are predominately from the southern bases.

Government Operations committee  The funding for the greening has really incorporated.... It's the real property funds, the buildings funds and the fleet management funds, that departments have in their existing budget. It's really about doing things a bit differently. Often when you spend money on energy efficiency, you're going to spend a little bit on capital, but you'll get it back in operating savings.

Government Operations committee  Well, the goals in advance are 40% by 2030 and 80% by 2050, and so—

Government Operations committee  I can start. The overall strategy and the coordination and implementation of the strategy is led by Treasury Board Secretariat, but each department of course has accountability and makes the decisions for its own real properties.

Government Operations committee  The way we show progress is that every year on the Open Government website.... The centre for greening government has a website—

Government Operations committee  Every year what we do is issue how each department is doing. We're very specific: how each department has progressed to the 40% and 80% goals. That is publicly disclosed on the website. We can send you the link afterwards. We know, then, how each department is doing and we track that, and not just at the end of the year, but that's when we officially get the submissions.

Government Operations committee  Do you mean in departmental sustainable government strategies, or—?

Government Operations committee  Every department reports in their departmental sustainable development strategy—this is goal number two of the federal sustainable development strategy. Right now we've achieved a 28% reduction, so we're well on our way to the 40%. As I said, we report on that annually. Also, I chair an interdepartmental committee at a senior level, an ADM level.

Government Operations committee  In terms of the greening of government operations, I'm be happy happy to speak to that. We have integrated it into people's roles. Because 88% of the emissions are from real property, it's the real property.... There are no special additional FTEs for greening government. It's integrated with the people managing the buildings and the fleet managers.

Government Operations committee  Okay. Thank you for the question. The role of the centre for greening government is to coordinate the efforts to get to results in the greening government strategy. We developed the strategy. Our job now is to implement it with our colleague departments. At Treasury Board Secretariat, being the management board, we have an essential role in government administrative policies.

Government Operations committee  Thank you very much. I have with me Jessica Sultan, who is with the Office of the Comptroller General; Kevin Radford with PSPC; Carol Najm, ADM with Environment Canada, real property and corporate services; Gail Haarsma with the sustainable development policy division at Environment Canada; and Vincent Ngan from the strategic policy branch at Environment Canada.

Environment committee  I think it's a very useful tool for Treasury Board to use, as collectively departments will create it, report on it, and report on it individually. I think it's very helpful for Treasury Board to see those reports and to cross-reference that with Treasury Board submissions, or other expenditure reviews or expenditure authorities and things like that.