Public Accounts committee  Absolutely not, sir. That was done in a totally deceitful way. We had to have an internal audit to bring that out. As soon as we did, we took action on that part. If you look at the last meeting you had, I think you'll come to the conclusion that there was a lot of deceit among p

Public Accounts committee  In hindsight, maybe we should have done that. However, I still maintain that there were four levels of supervision. Crupi was not working by himself. He had other people he was reporting to.

Public Accounts committee  They were aware too. There are 2,732 responsibility centres in the organization, and when he went—we didn't send him; he went to Public Works—we expected them to do the job. We didn't expect that they would collude and do what they did, because CAC is also an organization. There

Public Accounts committee  I totally disagree with you. We have an audit department that did an audit. When we found out what happened, we went back and we corrected it. This individual—

Public Accounts committee  Absolutely we reported him to human resources. We took his authority away, and that was a sign right there that something should have been done.

Public Accounts committee  There wasn't an official complaint that this individual had done what he did. There were some rumours, innuendoes, and a memo from a Mr. Lincour, who was the internal auditor. As you--

Public Accounts committee  Just hold on for a minute. This guy was the internal auditor. He had total access to the commissioner. He didn't do anything. He had been in the RCMP for a long time. He should have known a lot more about it than I did.

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I was.

Public Accounts committee  No, I wasn't. That's an organization within the RCMP. That's not a committee. That's a responsibility centre within the RCMP.

Public Accounts committee  They gave advice on benefits, but we did discuss outsourcing. There were 12 members on that group, including three staff relations officers, who were excellent, at the time. I suggested that maybe you would want to talk them, and you didn't. On top of that, there was legal—there

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry...?

Public Accounts committee  I don't believe so, no.

Public Accounts committee  I was pretty busy, but I would still track money. We did ask a lot of questions, and we watched the other plans, and the other plans were going up because we were doing this cleanup. Also, all of this was approved by the Treasury Board Secretariat pension sector. They knew a lo

Public Accounts committee  I wouldn't say that I dropped the ball, no.

Public Accounts committee  Well, just a minute. The project was completed. There was a program evaluation on that project. It was quite positive; it was very positive. The members are very happy with the outsourcing. About 95% are saying that the service is great. Public Works is now starting to do its o