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National Defence committee Okay. After that female complainant came forward to me to make the report about the red room incident, as I understood it, someone else came forward about the incident. However, there was no entry in the database about it. I was the first one to put an entry into the database, and the investigation of the complaint was assigned....
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee I'm sorry. Could you pose the question? I didn't understand whether there was a question there.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee I think there are two parts to that answer, sir. The first part is the acceptance of Operation Honour amongst the majority of the forces, the working class of the forces, and the veracity of it and whether it's working. Then the second part of that answer is, when reporting on senior officers within OPHTAS, which is the reporting mechanism for Operation Honour, it almost seemed to me, as a result of that phone call, that there is a dual standard of reporting in OPHTAS such that maybe if it's a sergeant it would be okay, but if it's a colonel or captain(N), it's not okay to put that sort of name into that central repository.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee That's a very good question, sir. What typically happens is that, as a unit office of primary interest for OPHTAS, I collect the information and put it into the database. It is then passed to my L2 and L1, because they have what I guess you would call “uber users” who verify the information.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee No, sir.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee Sir, with respect to the threats, it is my understanding, again, that these incidents are under investigation by the Canadian Forces national investigation service. I don't think it's appropriate for me at this point to speak further about the matter as a participant in the investigation.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee Maybe I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase it?
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee It was on March 4, sir.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee No, sir.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee Yes, sir.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee I don't think I've had discussions with people who have had difficulty reporting. Potentially, they don't know who to report to or where to turn. Maybe they feel pressure not to but, again, I can't get inside the heads of people who want to report because it's difficult from the outset for somebody who has been the victim of something like that.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee Yes, sir, and I do have an additional portion to explain about that other incident if you want me to relay that to you.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee Yes, sir, I do have a copy of it here. It was essentially relayed between me and my legal counsel. May I request that I could have some conference with him on version editing and back and forth before potentially having him submit it, or I could submit it but I'd like to have that opportunity so it meets a certain standard.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee No, sir, I did not.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter
National Defence committee Sir, yes, I have been in almost constant communication with the victim because as part of my duties as a Canadian Forces officer I feel I'm obliged, as part of the chain of command, to provide all the necessary support and services and refer her to appropriate services.
March 12th, 2021Committee meeting
LCdr Raymond Trotter