Agriculture committee  Certainly, I'd give you that opportunity to go back and find that out. I don't want to make an assumption, but I would assume that you're being treated the same as wine, spirits and beer. Ms. Menezes, you have a Liberal member of Parliament, and I would certainly go back to Mr.

Agriculture committee  It's a team effort here; it's a team effort. In showing that it's a team effort, I'm going to relinquish the rest of my time to Mr. MacGregor.

Agriculture committee  Thanks, Mr. Chair. I have just a couple of quick questions; then I'll turn it over to my colleague, Mr. Falk. Mr. Jovanovic, I want to just confirm that you said the average rebate for a farm was $820 a year. Is that per farm or is that per household?

Agriculture committee  That is interesting. I have a constituent who spent $11,000 in one month to heat his poultry barns during the winter. I would hope that if Bill C-234 were to pass, the government would take a look at maybe repealing Bill C-8, so we don't have that overlap, or as you would like to put it, double dipping and somehow taking funds away from households.

Agriculture committee  Right, grain farmers do the grain drying.

Agriculture committee  Well, it's too bad that you're trying to pick winners and losers and not making them all whole with this. Obviously, Bill C-234 would make sure everybody's on a level playing field. I'll turn the rest of my time over to Mr. Falk. Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Agriculture committee  Okay—

Agriculture committee  Thanks, Mr. Jovanovic, but when the promotional language from the government is that the carbon tax is revenue neutral, that means I'm getting back exactly what I paid into it. I appreciate that you trying to spin this a bit differently, but that is not reality. I'll cede the rest of my time to my colleague Mr.

Agriculture committee  Okay. You're saying that is the objective, but my question is, is it in fact? You've gone through one tax year now with Bill C-8. Can you tell me if farmers are whole as a result of what they've paid in the carbon tax and what they're getting through the rebate in Bill C-8?

Agriculture committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Thanks to the officials for being here. I appreciate the comments by Ms. Kim and Mr. Jovanovic about the importance of the fact that farmers have the tools to increase yield and feed the world, but it's difficult for farms to invest in new technology and new innovation if they aren't economically sustainable.

Agriculture committee  Okay.

Agriculture committee  Okay. So—

Agriculture committee  Great. I'm sorry. I have to ask some other questions. We've heard even from my esteemed Liberal colleague, whom I have a great deal of respect for, that from talking to his farmers and his accountants, the best they've seen is that farmers are getting a third back. We've heard from farmers in Ontario that they're getting about 13% to 15% back.

Agriculture committee  Mr. Lobb—Ben—

Agriculture committee  —one of the questions was, are there other sources for grain drying and heating barns? Obviously we're talking about green energy, such as solar and wind, but we're talking about rural Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and I think when you're talking about protecting livestock and animal health, reliability of that energy source is also critical, is it not?