Subcommittee on Food Safety committee  I want to interrupt there. No other witness who has come here has suggested that there was any possibility of anybody finding listeria visually on those machines. Nobody has even come close to suggesting that. And you're saying that?

Subcommittee on Food Safety committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to go back to what I think you were talking to Mr. Bellavance about. You seemed to be implying that you have to have employees or inspectors on the floor in order to get the companies to clean their machines properly. Are you saying they're not doing that, in line with the requirements of the manufacturer and the safety requirements that are in place?

Subcommittee on Food Safety committee  We'd like to go ahead and hear our witnesses' testimonies. As Mr. Bellavance said, the opposition is getting frustrated because it's not going well for them. They've tried to find a number of things here and haven't been able to. They've tried to discredit the independent investigator.