Government Operations committee  Your green fund, you mean, here?

Government Operations committee  No, I never got anything from it. I wish I'd never started it, this whole thing.

Government Operations committee  No.

Government Operations committee  Sorry, could you start again?

Government Operations committee  Let me tell you, I've never been to a club like that in my life. I'm married 53 years. You wouldn't get me in there with a gun at my head.

Government Operations committee  They didn't invite me to the club. I'll tell you why they didn't invite me. You may get a laugh out of it. At the first board meeting I had with Gillani, he came in and he said before he started... He got up and said, “I am a Muslim. I'm an Ismaili Muslim.” And I said to him, “Well I'm a Christian, and it's the Ten Commandments, not the ten suggestions in here”, because I didn't like that.

Government Operations committee  We have been always looking for funding for projects. We have projects in the United States. We have nothing in Canada at the moment, but we may have shortly. We haven't done a lot in Canada, but we've done a lot in the United States. It's easier to get one in the United States than it is in Canada.

Government Operations committee  Anyway, no money came from that. We get funding from overseas, from London, New York, and places like that. We don't get it from here. We've never gotten anything from here.

Government Operations committee  I'm a very prompt person. I was here two hours early today from Toronto. I can't stand a person who keeps saying “I'll be there”, “I'll do it”, but never does it. I hate that. It just got so bad that he was... I would phone him, because he would say something, and when I wanted it in writing, it came back different.

Government Operations committee  First meeting....

Government Operations committee  I don't remember that. I do remember him saying that he had been a member for 12 years in Edmonton and that he had lost his seat in the last election.

Government Operations committee  Yes. He had said that he wasn't but his wife still was a member of Parliament. He didn't say she was a cabinet minister. He just said she was a member of Parliament.

Government Operations committee  No. Let me make you understand. I didn't even know we had lobbyists here. That may sound funny to you people, but it's the truth. Most Canadians don't know that. You live in Ottawa, but we live miles away and we don't know. Until I saw this on television I really didn't understand.

Government Operations committee  It never came up. I never thought of it, not for a moment.

Government Operations committee  At this meeting, the meeting with Gillani and him, we were not... We came into this and he came with his cousin to be introduced. Gillani didn't know him, and I believe that. That day they met for the very first time. So they were doing their talking and we left. They took off somewhere because they went off to that club they used to go to.