Public Safety committee  It's probably not the case for all of them, but for some of them, for sure. I think the more serious ones usually are more easily identified. But the women who spoke to me might speak to someone else now, too. They may be less scared than they were a while ago.

Public Safety committee  I think there has to be reform in management. You have to start by establishing a career plan for each individual. You also have to show them how to aspire to management. To manage, you have to have values and genuinely be able to communicate with the people who report to you so they feel they're part of a team.

Public Safety committee  I do not know enough about the minister's duties or the way his office is organized. I think the government has to get far more involved in the reform that must be done. You may not want to dismantle the RCMP and create three organizations instead of one, but it's possible to specialize police officers.

Public Safety committee  It would be better for candidates to have university training than a high school diploma.

Public Safety committee  The fact that this did happen created a total loss of confidence in the administration in the sense that it was supervising and supposed to provide a safe workplace for these women.

Public Safety committee  Oh, yes, and some of the women asked me whether I could do something, but I said that when it's criminal conduct, it's for the victim to do that. I said, look, you participated in this process, but you can still lay a criminal charge. They said that even if they did, even if they won, they would lose in the end because they'd lose their job.

Public Safety committee  This is why it's written this way. I think there has to be some action taken right now and some action of consequence. I'm happy that the commissioner has committed to doing these things. She just has to create some kind of way to get the good people in the RCMP behind her.

Public Safety committee  I've been told that the government and ministers responsible are only interested in financial issues. They want to know how much it costs, what the financial needs are and whether the problems are associated with underfunding. We can talk about money if necessary, but based on what I'm told, no one ever wants to debate those kinds of issues.

Public Safety committee  Not by me, but some of them have been identified by the women who were assaulted and, in a few cases, by men who were witnesses.

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  The real problem is that the women are not confident that it can be done, because there have been 15 reports before, and every time the RCMP said they accepted the recommendations. They did make some changes, but they were mostly policy changes and organizational changes while what the women want, of course, is the men to be accountable for what they're doing and the managers—their supervisors—who are not supervising to be sanctioned also.

Public Safety committee  Yes, I do. I think they have to be. I never saw the report. I asked for it, because how do you want me to have an idea as to whether these people know what's going on and are willing to put some pressure on the administration to resolve the issues? Why do we have an advisory board if nobody knows what it's doing.?

Public Safety committee  Right now, there are a couple of grievance processes. One of them is specifically for sexual harassment, and this is the new approach. The other one, of course, is to use the code of conduct and have an inquiry under the code of conduct, but what happens is that they're officers of the same region who are appointed there to hear the griever.

Public Safety committee  Yes, absolutely.

Public Safety committee  Well, you can design the committee to be formed by people from other police forces or other regions, or by people who are not RCMP but have some experience with policing. Basically, those people would have the power to investigate. I think they should also be able to start investigations without a complaint when they know that something is going on in a district—