Public Accounts committee  We asked many questions. If you look at the other two pension plans, their costs were also going up. In fact, the public service pension plan went up 100% at the same time, and the DND pension plan went up 143%. So a lot of that was really due to implementing Bill C-78, as oppose

Public Accounts committee  I don't personally track every transaction. Second, this was a project being done under HR. There were many other projects being done. We had the big CPIC project under CIO, as an example. I don't track every one of those. On this one, as it turned out, there was collusion with

Public Accounts committee  When there is a criminal investigation, we have no discussions whatsoever. We're told not to participate and we're told just to wait for the results of the investigation. We were interviewed. In this investigation, over 200 people were interviewed. And then you wait for the repor

Public Accounts committee  This is a different issue. This is the OPP investigation. When I went to work for the RCMP, before I got there—this had happened before I got there—there was an allegation that an individual had taken a trip with an automotive company. I asked him twice and he told me he hadn't

Public Accounts committee  Well, I was one person, but as I explained before—

Public Accounts committee  Yes, and I've heard you say that many times. I've said before this committee that this was a project being done under HR. It wasn't my project. Second, we watched this and knew that the costs were going up, but they were all approved by Treasury Board Secretariat. And there wer

Public Accounts committee  Saying I didn't care is not exactly an analysis of the situation. We had this project to do. We had a lot of projects in the RCMP. He was particularly doing this project under the auspices of HR. There were four levels of supervision between Mr. Crupi and Mr. Ewanovich. On top

Public Accounts committee  It was because we stopped them on the contracting side. We expected Public Works would do their due diligence, as they usually do. In this case, something broke down. There was collusion between two departments. When there is collusion, it is very difficult to police.

Public Accounts committee  First of all, we didn't know that CAC was doing what they were doing. CAC is an organization that had been there for a long time and they were operating within the rules. I also said a number of times that when you go to Public Works you expect them to do their due diligence and

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I will produce that document.

Public Accounts committee  We had a number of memos going back and forth.

Public Accounts committee  He didn't submit a report. He wrote a memo for his own information. What happened is that when I was interviewed by Mr. Frizzell, he misled me by telling me that I had received this memo. I went back to my office and checked, and there was no such memo that had been received. So

Public Accounts committee  I'll find it and send it, yes.

Public Accounts committee  No. I sent him the memo after he interviewed me during the investigations, so this was long after. He misled me by telling me I had received his memo. This was not a memo that had been sent.

Public Accounts committee  It was too late. The work had been done. This was during the OPS investigation. I also want to say then he came before the committee and misled the committee the same way he misled me by inferring that I had received that memo, when I had never received it.