Finance committee  I think it's as simple as that. The fact is that by the time the government did impose, I think it in October, it was just.... To me, that is the simplest answer with regard to why they didn't find harm on the other five. Craig could probably add to that. I'm not sure what your second question was.

Finance committee  I am, very much so. I think you said yourself that nobody can predict what's going to come out on Twitter tomorrow from President Trump, so of course that's a concern of ours. I think we've witnessed it. We're still getting over the shell shock of how they could impose section 232 tariffs on the best neighbour one could ever envisage.

Finance committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. My name is Ken Neumann. I am the National Director for the United Steelworkers in Canada. With me is Craig Logie, our trade counsel. Thank you, all, for allowing me, on behalf of our members in the steel and aluminum industry, to address this committee to discuss Bill C-101.

International Trade committee  I think you got my comment: of course.

International Trade committee  Sure, there's no doubt that I understand that Unifor has come out and said they're very happy with what's been negotiated with regard to the tariffs, but at the same time, they should be concerned as well, because they have members in the aluminum industries. They have members in Quebec and they also have members in British Columbia, and these tariffs hit them the same way.

International Trade committee  Maybe I'm not getting to the exact question you're asking. If the tariffs are removed and there are no quotas in place, and you have the ability for us to expand our market, I think that's all great. If you can get everybody to play by the same rule book, and not manipulate the currency and do the dumping and you can't compete, I think that's the track you need to go on.

International Trade committee  To be honest about it, and it's probably hard to say this, but Mr. Trump said something that got everybody's attention. The dumping of steel, the saturation from countries that cheat and manipulate, don't have human rights, don't treat their workers the way that...has been ongoing for years.

International Trade committee  I've not heard from them. I've seen the press—

International Trade committee  Sir, let me set the record straight. There are some people who would like to play in the sandbox to make us look bad as an international union. The fact of the matter is that our union is consistent on both sides of the border that these tariffs are absurd, that they should have never been there, that they're illegal and they're wrong-headed.

International Trade committee  Trust me, he is.

International Trade committee  I will.

International Trade committee  Well, you're hearing that from one affiliate, and the fact of the matter is—

International Trade committee  I've seen the press releases. The fact is that there's only one union that has come out in favour of it. Look, I support the auto industry. It's important to the industry. We produced the situation. I get that. But the fact is that in these last trade negotiations, Canada sat out while Mexico and the United States did the heavy lifting.

International Trade committee  I'm pleased for the auto sector. I'm pleased that it is where it's at, but the fact is that in order to build autos, you need steel and you need aluminum.

International Trade committee  I know a bit about Mr. Kestenbaum. He's taken over Stelco. I know he had big plans to expand. Because of this cloud hanging over, that's not going to take place. There's a lot at risk. I think Steeltown gets affected hugely. The question really becomes about investment. I'll tell you, as someone who was born and raised and worked in the steel mills as a youngster, I know the importance of the steel industry to this country.