Human Resources committee  As it stands at the moment, yes, the way we've described it in the commissioner's directive. The act and the regulations allow us to go further, but the commissioner's directive, which has been in effect for quite a number of years, has contained it to those figures you've described.

Human Resources committee  As the commissioner's directive stands right now, you're absolutely right.

Human Resources committee  It's waived.

Human Resources committee  The vast majority are run by NGOs. We operate 16 community correctional centres across the country--what you would call halfway houses--and then there are a couple of hundred that are operated by NGOs, such as John Howard, Elizabeth Fry, and St. Leonard's.

Human Resources committee  We charge them room and board, yes.

Human Resources committee  We haven't rolled up the final figures for the last fiscal year, but in the last couple of years it's been $600,000 to $650,000. That includes room and board for those in the institutions and in the community. It's between $500,000 and $650,000 for room and board. All that money goes to the consolidated revenue fund; it does not come back to the Correctional Service of Canada.

Human Resources committee  Yes, sir.

Human Resources committee  No, it will not change the room and board provisions.

Human Resources committee  Oh, no. Sorry, I should clarify that. The 46% are murder one and two, which are life sentences, as you know, and 32% are sex offenders. The majority of them have sentences that are around four to five years. But there are sex offenders who are doing indeterminate sentences, including life, in that number as well.

Human Resources committee  Anything from two years to several years.

Human Resources committee  Yes. The prescribed sources include income from private and government pensions, operating an offender-based business, the sale of hobby craft, income from.... There are two other sources. I can give you that. They are prescribed in the regulations, section 104.1.

Human Resources committee  Yes. So employment in the community while on work release or conditional release, and the employment in a penitentiary provided by a third party. We've had a few examples of that in the past where we've had third-party operations within our facilities. They actually employ the offenders to do the service and they pay them, so then that income is deemed to be part of the five prescribed sources of income.

Human Resources committee  That I don't know. I don't have the breakdown as to what the sources were; all I have is the total number of room and board collected. We'd have to go back and do a manual file review of all the cases to determine what the prescribed source of income was that led us to the deduction for room and board.

Human Resources committee  That's correct.

Human Resources committee  I think you would have to ask them, in terms of their calculations.