Public Safety committee  You really should be talking to CBSA about that. Normally, there would be a hearings officer from CBSA who would be discussing with the IRB member, to come up with conditions that would make it...where the risk to Canada would be mitigated.

Public Safety committee  Those are rare in terms of CIC officers writing them. Normally, what we would do, if we got to that situation, is we would refer the case to an enforcement officer, or it would be at a port of entry. It is rare, but it's not unheard of that a CIC officer.... I don't know if you would want to...?

Public Safety committee  So if a client comes to an inland office, a CIC office, and we become aware that there's a criminal record or something, we would normally refer that case over to CBSA, but there are cases sometimes where a CIC officer might write the inadmissibility report and pass it on. We could give you a sense of that.

Public Safety committee  The action of removing someone is solely CBSA's responsibility. There might be instances where CIC would prepare inadmissibility reports of some type, but they would be rare.

Public Safety committee  I don't know if I could estimate it. In looking at those numbers—because CIC and CBSA share them—over the last few years there have been more removals from CBSA than in the past.

Public Safety committee  Merci beaucoup. Good afternoon. If you want to keep us for less time, we'll be happy too. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the committee. My name is Claudette Deschênes, and l am the assistant deputy minister of operations at Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Joining me today is Caroline Melis, who is the director general of operational management and coordination for CIC.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I would just note, though, that our systems before global case management didn't really track the reasons for refusal, so we can probably look at advice we might have received. I think the Auditor General said that less than 1% of cases are refused for security reasons. I'm not sure that we're going to be able to go very far.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  That's correct.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  It's a complicated question to ask, because if someone has had a visa and has come to Canada and gone back and they still have a good job and own land and so on, they would normally get a visa.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't know that we know that, but I would say it's probably very close to zero. That's not where the energies of the CBSA enforcement officers are being placed.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  That's absolutely correct. We want them to apply for an extension, but they have—

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I guess I would comment that it's difficult from the standpoint of the bona fides. We're measuring intent. Unfortunately, officers have to look at past practices when they consider intent. Unfortunately, if a large number of people who fit that sort of characteristic have come and gotten visas and then stayed illegally, that makes it harder for people who are in the line.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I'm sure we will be telling the committee as soon as we can.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  We're looking at operational feasibility. We're looking at criminality, security, over-stays, that type of thing, from a risk perspective.