Information & Ethics committee  No reference was ever made to countries, but rather to international sales.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, he is.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you, Thomas. The reality is I have a problem with the following reasoning. They wrote a letter to a foreign government that Brian Mulroney had received a $5 million kickback from the sale of planes and helicopters and as part of Project Bear Head. They said he received $5 million while in office, from a bank account in Liechtenstein to a bank account that never existed in Switzerland.

Information & Ethics committee  We found out through the litigation process, before there was a settlement--and this is all part of the public record--that the way it works is that the Department of Justice would send a letter to the correspondent at the Swiss Department of Justice and Police. I'm not sure if it was the ministry of interior or the justice department.

Information & Ethics committee  First of all, I wasn't in a public relations outfit.

Information & Ethics committee  I take that as a compliment. Thank you, Mr. Ménard.

Information & Ethics committee  I wanted to provide context. Given the atmosphere at the time, it was undoubtedly a mistake to try to provide context like that.

Information & Ethics committee  Of course.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  He explained it to me on a number of occasions.

Information & Ethics committee  I'll let you be the judge of that.

Information & Ethics committee  It was just starting to be fun.

Information & Ethics committee  When you're talking about the payment, are you referring to the $2.1 million?

Information & Ethics committee  I changed my mind. I would put him in the top three.