Government Operations committee  I have to tell you, he didn't give us any information. When we heard this had been rejected, it was the first we knew about it. He never told us that.

Government Operations committee  Let me stop you for a minute.

Government Operations committee  We didn't know he had submitted it until we saw it on TV. We knew he'd put something together because he sent us a document later. We got the document, but he didn't tell us he had submitted it, or he didn't tell us it had been rejected. We heard nothing.

Government Operations committee  I can't remember that. I don't know if it was questions from the government or not, because I didn't do it. I didn't put that together. People in the office put that together, other people. I only know that they were given a list of the cities across the nation that bio-solids...

Government Operations committee  No, not with us.

Government Operations committee  No. We got nothing from the government, nothing.

Government Operations committee  He never sent it to me.

Government Operations committee  He never sent anything like that to me, so I didn't know about it.

Government Operations committee  No, no. Maybe I misled you. I'm sorry. He talked about green funds, but very briefly about green funds. You have to understand, there is nothing specific. We hear this all the time from people. There are stories going around—“oh, we can get you this”. There are people coming in the door who can talk a terrific game.

Government Operations committee  It's $100 million. Believe me, that turned me right off. It's nonsense.

Government Operations committee  At the time, we had heard that there were green funds. We never have any success with government—never did. That's the way it goes. In years and years of business, it just doesn't work for me. I couldn't get anyone to talk to me anywhere in government. He was a government guy. When I met him at the steak house, he sat right beside me.

Government Operations committee  When he came to the meeting, I didn't know who he was. He came and was introduced to me. What he said to me was that he had been a member of Parliament for 12 years for Edmonton, that he was no longer an MP, having lost the last election, but he had a green company looking for green initiatives, green technologies.

Government Operations committee  He gave me the phone number to phone, and I got her secretary or her assistant.

Government Operations committee  No, I'm not.

Government Operations committee  Oh, yes, it is.