Fisheries committee  There are five, but the Fisheries Act one has three parts to it.

Fisheries committee  I will do that as soon as I'm finished.

Fisheries committee  I will email them as soon as I'm finished.

Fisheries committee  There's a good example of that with the Fogo Island fishers. They are working on fishing a small amount of fish in a quite sustainable gear-type of cod trap and working on marketing that. I think they're doing a good job. There's a huge demand for it, mostly because most retailers across North America have signed up to sustainable seafood commitments, and it's actually hard to meet their demands and supply.

Fisheries committee  Yes, and it is coming. I think it needs to be a bit urgent. As we are doing a rebuilding plan, we need to get a reassessment done. An example is tuna and the recommendation to not list bluefin tuna in Atlantic Canada. Well, sending it back to COSEWIC for reassessment kind of undermines existing government processes, which I think is unfortunate.

Fisheries committee  I think first we have to establish an upper stock reference point. That would be very helpful. I think right now that the target has been to get to the limit reference point, which is usually the lowest reference point for the stock. We're about 35% of that now. I would say we should be at least two times the limit reference point, or 50% of the way towards the upper stock reference point, with an idea of what the stock recovery trajectory is, before we consider any full-blown commercial fishery.

Fisheries committee  Yes. I mean, that's what the precautionary approach framework does. It provides a target range. That's exactly how it rises: critical zone, cautious zone, and healthy zone. Again, I think we need to get to the cautious zone, which is a range. That's the risk-based approach of precautionary framework.

Fisheries committee  I do. I think our failure to include fishermen was part of the failure of northern cod in the first place. I think we need to look at adaptive management. I do think science is absolutely a big input. We have to consider socio-economics. Typically we've considered socio-economics in a way that doesn't necessarily benefit the communities.

Fisheries committee  Yes, we do.

Fisheries committee  I'm not necessarily saying that it should be done first but I think they need to go hand in hand. From my perspective I have a lot of sympathy for how the fishing industry and even the food fishery feels. If you're fishing an endangered species and we don't make a decision to list it under the Species at Risk Act, then we do nothing essentially.

Fisheries committee  First, thanks for inviting me to present to you today, and apologies for not being there in person. I was unable to fly to Ottawa today, but I think that in light of the recent carbon tax announcement, flying less is likely a good idea. I know we presented to you on your study on Atlantic salmon, but I'll introduce you to the Ecology Action Centre.