Canada-China Relations committee  I provide a link to a U.S.-sourced intelligence assessment that now expresses precisely these concerns about Canada as a national security problem to the United States. I believe that a public inquiry in Canada peeling back the onion would reveal this to a point where I think even the current government would not have an interest in having this out in public.

Canada-China Relations committee  As I name in my testimony, it is with regard to some resource development in this country. We know that China is not the only actor that invests in information campaigns with regard to resource development in one way or another in this country. I also, again, provide evidence from Australia with regard to links that subsequently appeared that were proven so problematic that people opted out of public life.

Canada-China Relations committee  First, the federal police would have to focus its resources on its federal mandate. At present, the RCMP dedicates 85% of its resources and efforts to provincial, territorial and local policing, at the expense of its federal mandate. Second, Canada is the only G7 country that has no foreign human intelligence gathering service.

Canada-China Relations committee  —from other countries that I could provide to you, and I have first-hand experience as I provide in the testimony.

Canada-China Relations committee  Yes, one good example is the World Health Organization. Chinese influence and interference in the World Health Organization has been publicly documented since 1953. Those of us who understand how the organization works knew from the beginning that intelligence coming out of the World Health Organization with regard to the pandemic should be taken with a grain of salt.

Canada-China Relations committee  You might have seen my opinion piece in The Globe and Mail on this. The balloons were effectively a test of NORAD's response system to objects in our airspace. What better way to understand how we respond and the characteristics of our response than to send different objects of different sizes?

Canada-China Relations committee  If you look at testimony before the national defence committee and you ask some of the commanders involved with NORAD, I think you will get substantiation that this was a test of our system.

Canada-China Relations committee  I think I've provided some evidence here from Australia that is publicly known. There are other cases—

Canada-China Relations committee  I do. I will not name those individuals here publicly. I would suggest that you look at people who copublish with people in China. That gives you at least somewhat of an indication of some of the individuals, and then look at their rather sympathetic views on China in this country.

Canada-China Relations committee  I would have to say that we have evidence in Canada of flows of money to political organizations through questionable channels and particular candidates. These are patterns that are replicated in other allied countries.

Canada-China Relations committee  I would suggest to you that, in my testimony, I provide two open-source cases from Australia—

Canada-China Relations committee  Well, if we had a federal police force that was effective in investigating this, I think it would see cases like this in this country.

Canada-China Relations committee  We have institutions that do not follow through on their mandates for national security.

Canada-China Relations committee  I have called for that publicly and in writing, repeatedly, along with other measures. Yes.

Canada-China Relations committee  That is difficult to gauge. It appears that this is more an elite process, on the one hand, of Canada's being left out of key conversations and, on the other hand, some Canadian elites having chosen not to participate in those conversations.