Information & Ethics committee  Not creating an independent investigative office would be very damaging to national security. If I may offer an analogy that may make people laugh, it's a bit like when you drop your crumbs on the floor in your kitchen and the ants start coming for them. Two or three ants are no big thing.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes. I would like to add a bit to complete Mr. Stanton's comment. There are other countries that have been identified, as well. Radio-Canada in Montreal, for example, has found out that Rwanda sent three agents to the community to monitor, intimidate and report. We also have Saudi Arabia, for example, sending people to do exactly this type of bullying in the community.

Information & Ethics committee  I wouldn't be able to say if Mr. Trudeau was informed. I can go only with the allegations that were presented in—

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  Potentially.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Oh yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Are you talking about Hong Kong or Australia?

Information & Ethics committee  In the case of Australia, it was in 2018. Yes, I think it's a good start. That act has been in force in Australia for five years, and its intelligence services are able to use it. It can tell us a bit about the upgrades we could make to our laws. Ordinarily, all laws include a sunset clause, which provides for a review every five years or so.