Government Operations committee  If memory serves, but I don't know exactly, I think they've been in business in the range of 12 to 15 years, if not longer. I don't know for sure.

Government Operations committee  I don't know for sure, but they are a multinational company that provides system integration professional services and consulting. The number must be very, very high.

Government Operations committee  I preferred to use our existing resources, our existing cloud and our existing code. Another factor in that decision was speed and agility. As I said, after that week, frankly, the first version was launched about five weeks after that. When we deal with a multinational like that, that is impossible.

Government Operations committee  In the early days, the technical direction was to do staff augmentation, which would require companies giving us access to technical resources fairly quickly. As the pandemic evolved and ArriveCAN evolved and got more and more complicated, more companies were involved and successive contracts were engaged and necessary as well.

Government Operations committee  There's a breakdown in my material of how much each of the contracts was worth. What I understand is that ultimately, although I've heard contradicting numbers here, the numbers I have in my memory are around $11 million over four contracts, over several years. To be clear, as a business model, they're not personally making $11 million.

Government Operations committee  Yes, absolutely.

Government Operations committee  That is not what I'm telling you.

Government Operations committee  There are over 30 companies that worked with—

Government Operations committee  Yes, I am.

Government Operations committee  I interpreted the question as when I was aware that GC Strategies was on ArriveCAN. That was well after the pandemic.

Government Operations committee  When I look through my records, I see there was a meeting in 2018 where I was a member of a board of IT professionals, and they came and presented to that board about a generic set of services and offers that were there. It was a large group setting. I do not have the materials still.

Government Operations committee  I have a meeting invitation and notes that they were there presenting, among probably others. I do not—

Government Operations committee  I do not recall that meeting.

Government Operations committee  Other than their being a presenter at a board meeting, after that I know that GC Strategies was on the letterhead when the Botler demo was presented to us.

Government Operations committee  The material is here. There are essentially a bunch of emails. One says we're going to Deloitte. There's a deck that is presumably from Deloitte, with mock-ups and screens. There's a different deck that says this is the insource option—the material is here. In that second option I talk about, there is no mention of GC Strategies anywhere.