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Government Operations committee  That being said, that's not what we're here for. We're here for the report specifically and what we saw specifically with ArriveCAN.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic

Government Operations committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Mr. Jeglic, I'm sure that the ArriveCAN and McKinsey reviews took a good team and a lot of hard work. In your opinion, is your mandate broad enough to enable you to do a thorough job of reviewing these kinds of contracts?

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Julie VignolaBloc

Government Operations committee  Like I said, financially, we were given kind of sufficient funding to pursue McKinsey and ArriveCAN, absolutely, but as I mentioned before it's the funding going forward that we need in order to continue to pursue. We need the resources. Again I'll just say that we have a fantastic team.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic

Government Operations committee  I mean as a purchaser in a procurement process like ArriveCAN. Have you been involved in something of this consequence?

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Charles SousaLiberal

Government Operations committee  We issue a report card at the end evaluating whether in fact they were compliant with the recommendations. It is a pretty easy tool to see. For ArriveCAN, again we don't anticipate doing anything different. Two years from the date of completion, we will follow up with all three departments and ensure that we are able to assess compliance to the recommendations.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic

Government Operations committee  Right. Is it correct that $25.3 million on the ArriveCAN app went to GC Strategies?

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Larry BrockConservative

Government Operations committee  They were previously awarded three non-competitive contracts under which work was also performed for ArriveCAN.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Derek Mersereau

Government Operations committee  I would agree with the characterization that it's systemic. As I said in my previous answer, I can't comment as to whether what we saw in ArriveCAN is better or worse than what we typically see. It is certainly filling my head with ideas in terms of a potential secondary review associated with this issue to be able to better answer these questions.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic

Government Operations committee  Like I said, you'll hear “documentation” come up several times this evening, because it is one of the largest irritants I have, currently—not just with ArriveCAN but also in general—when it comes to performing the work we need to do.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic

Government Operations committee  Thank you very much. I'm going back to 76% of the listed resources in successful bids doing no work on the ArriveCAN contracts. I'm thinking this means that companies were winning bids based on the resources their subcontractors claimed they would provide if they won the contract. Then, when the time came to do the work, the companies that won switched their subcontractors.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Kelly BlockConservative

Government Operations committee  Jeglic, for being here today, and Mr. Mersereau as well. As I understand it, this was a year-long analysis of ArriveCAN. Can you tell us how often you do these sorts of deep dives into one procurement project? I'm just curious.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Irek KusmierczykLiberal

Government Operations committee  Now that we've created that baseline data, it's a really important launch pad for us to know where to look next. ArriveCAN was a bit of an anomaly. It was brought to us by the committee, but ultimately we were able to find reasonable grounds to launch. As a result, we were able to do this review. There's another review also coming as a result of this committee's action on McKinsey.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic

Government Operations committee  I'm so grateful that we have here today the watchdog responsible for government contracting. Thank you for producing an excellent report on the ArriveCAN scandal. I'm a father of five children, and I've changed a lot of diapers over the years. None of them stink as much as the contracting system you're describing in this report. I want to start with the issue of minimum prices.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Garnett GenuisConservative

Government Operations committee  Are these systemic issues that run throughout federal government procurement, or are these issues that you've highlighted today specific to the ArriveCAN procurement?

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Taylor BachrachNDP

Government Operations committee  They're systemic for ArriveCAN. As I answered previously, I can't say they're systemic because we haven't done the review. For example, with reference to bait and switch, we've not looked at bait and switch across all government departments for me to answer that this is absolutely systemic across other departments and agencies.

January 31st, 2024Committee meeting

Alexander Jeglic