Public Safety committee  Excuse me, Mr. Cullen. I haven't heard anyone say that she was a person of interest. The reason I interrupt is because, as you know, those terms can be used differently. I did hear Assistant Commissioner Souccar say that she was known.

Public Safety committee  You're quite right, Mr. Cullen. Obviously any inappropriate handling of secret documents is of concern. Indeed, the minister in this case took responsibility and resigned. But there were several steps taken afterwards. There is a review ongoing, which includes an injury assessment.

Public Safety committee  I just don't know the timing of the print. It's whenever it was in the papers.

Public Safety committee  Well, that's a good question, because it's not normally something we would answer, as Assistant Commissioner Souccar said. It is always a difficult slope to go down in talking about security clearances. But the decision was made in the Privy Council Office that, given the speculation, it would be better in this case to actually say.

Public Safety committee  Actually, I'm not sure I knew at that stage. I may have, but I can't actually recall. It wasn't really part of the decision. Anyway, I'm sorry, I can't remember when I knew.

Public Safety committee  No.

Public Safety committee  No.

Public Safety committee  I honestly can't remember when.

Public Safety committee  Yes, and when it was in the papers, I noticed it.

Public Safety committee  The first point I will reiterate, because I'm always leery about insinuations being made when I don't know the facts. I don't know the facts of Madame Couillard's background. I only know what I read in the paper. Secondly, when I did read it, as you recall, the second round of checks had just been done—

Public Safety committee  That's certainly correct. I have read Assistant Commissioner Souccar's testimony and, I guess, I know what he said in that testimony.

Public Safety committee  I'm sorry, I have forgotten the question.

Public Safety committee  I know what he said then.

Public Safety committee  I'm speaking for the Privy Council Office.

Public Safety committee  I think I've answered that question.