Information & Ethics committee  That's correct, and everybody concerned was interviewed by the commissioner in the months that followed.

Information & Ethics committee  I think we went over this at the justice committee. There were representations, public statements and market disclosures made by SNC.

Information & Ethics committee  First of all, I'm trying my best to respond to the questions and reconstruct a sequence of events. I apologize to the members if I have events of five years out of sequence and if my testimony, which happened twice, was before or after other events. I don't have the chronology clear in my head.

Information & Ethics committee  Actually, the timelines matter to the answers, so yes, I do want to know the sequence of events.

Information & Ethics committee  Right, and that conversation was available to the commissioner, so I'm not sure what your question is still. I'm trying to answer it, but what is your question?

Information & Ethics committee  It certainly was not intended as a threat and it's not the interpretation of the commissioner.

Information & Ethics committee  No. I had left all the issues about cabinet confidences and divulgation to the deputy clerk, so she would have supervised the drafting of it. It's possible that I signed it off as the clerk. I don't remember.

Information & Ethics committee  As soon as I was invited to the justice committee, I stepped back and recused myself from all the issues around document production.

Information & Ethics committee  I did not participate in the drafting, but I'm sure we would have tried to strike some sort of balance between the confidentiality of those cabinet meetings and the specifics that Ms. Wilson-Raybould was going to be asked to testify about. I didn't participate in the drafting of that order.

Information & Ethics committee  I have nothing to add.

Information & Ethics committee  You have the Commissioner's interpretation of it all.

Information & Ethics committee  What aspect should I comment on? What is the question?

Information & Ethics committee  I don't know.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, you're asking me to dredge up memories from five years ago, and I gave my testimony on all of this to the justice committee and to the commissioner. To the best of my recollection, this was an issue about the minister's role as a member of cabinet and the cabinet as a team.

Information & Ethics committee  The Commissioner's report provides a full interpretation of it all.