Government Operations committee  Yes. I supplied the same information that I put forward to OGGO to show the three components of all of the selections of GC Strategies.

Government Operations committee  They were referring to Minh Doan and John Ossowski. It was written like that because Minh Doan had a fake heart attack and Kelly Belanger took over for him, so the notes were updated so that Kelly Belanger could attend OGGO with Erin O'Gorman, as she did—the record will reflect it—and that's why it was written there.

Government Operations committee  It was John Ossowski.

Government Operations committee  Frankly, if you look at that package that I provided to the OAG, there are three components. The first one shows clearly that Minh Doan and John Ossowski were the ones who selected. The second—

Government Operations committee  Minh Doan has completely lied to Canadians on multiple fronts.

Government Operations committee  I can only assume that's what he did, because this is what Erin O'Gorman's own documentation in preparing for OGGO says. Even Erin O'Gorman pretended that she didn't know who selected GC Strategies, yet she was briefed on it.

Government Operations committee  I'm sorry. The interpretation cut off at the last word. I think she was asking about testing.

Government Operations committee  I kept records of some of the documents that I had when I was there.

Government Operations committee  You would have to ask CBSA. Given the nature of what's happened, I'm pretty glad that I have them. It seems like a lot of emails have been deleted. I would suggest it's not just Minh Doan's, but other people's, too. If CBSA thinks that I've done something wrong, they can add that to the preliminary statement of falsehoods.

Government Operations committee  Ms. O'Gorman also said that she wasn't part of the investigation and was insulating herself. I don't know how she has all this information with which to testify when she says that she doesn't know anything and that she only got briefed when the PSF, the preliminary statement of facts, was created.

Government Operations committee  That's fair. You read the preliminary statement of facts, so you will have seen that Botler tried to get a contract, not once but twice, in order to just proceed with work with the CBSA. You will have seen—

Government Operations committee  No. Mr. Brock reached out a couple of times and asked for information to have insight. Maybe I'll just make sure the committee is aware that our door was open to anybody and it remains open, so if anybody would like to speak or know more about what's going on, I'm happy to and I think Mr.

Government Operations committee  We can follow up after. There hasn't been a lot of back-and-forth, but I will endeavour to do it as soon as we can, yes.

Government Operations committee  No, the app could have never cost $80,000. The $80,000 was to build a digital prototype that moved paper onto, basically, an online form that could be used on a mobile phone. It was used to demonstrate that you could digitize something, which is something the Government of Canada has been very interested in doing.

Government Operations committee  I was at Public Services and Procurement Canada, in the real property sector. As director general, I was responsible for a portfolio that included construction projects worth several billions of dollars. I got out of the IM/IT field, meaning information management and information technologies, for approximately three years.