Public Accounts committee  Well, if it came from my office—Mrs. Presland is my secretary, so I'm sure it came from my office. There had to be a meeting, but I go to a lot of meetings. I usually remember the people, but I don't remember this meeting. But anyway—

Public Accounts committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm not going to take much time. I wanted to correct—or not correct, but I wanted to give my impression with regard to the meeting of June 4, 2007. You, Mr. Chairman, asked Mr. Crupi a question regarding contracts. His testimony was that his officers—an

Public Accounts committee  I, Paul Gauvin, do swear that the evidence I shall give on this examination shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

Public Accounts committee  That is a totally unfair question, sir. If you read the Auditor General's report closely, the Auditor General says there is nothing wrong with the control framework, that things were there. The problem is that people deliberately went around the controls, and when they do that, y

Public Accounts committee  I wasn't there in 1995, but that could have very well happened, yes.

Public Accounts committee  I don't believe that's right. I served on that committee and worked as hard as I could, as well as other members.

Public Accounts committee  What part of my memory?

Public Accounts committee  Are we talking about the pension or the insurance?

Public Accounts committee  Oh, I was definitely involved in the pension advisory committee and that contract, yes. That proposal would have come to that committee. I have no problem with memory on that.

Public Accounts committee  Oh, no. You asked me if I was in on the meeting when Morneau Sobeco did a data presentation on what it would be like to have an outsourced--

Public Accounts committee  It was an RFP to outsource the pension fund.

Public Accounts committee  The meeting I believe you were talking about was a meeting where the chairman of the committee invited Morneau Sobeco to come in and do a presentation on what it would be like to have an outsourced pension fund, pension administration, because that had never been done in the gove

Public Accounts committee  No, I'm not aware of that. I don't think that would have been the same information. No.

Public Accounts committee  No. The RFP was a fairly detailed document with a lot of detailed information and detailed figures.

Public Accounts committee  They definitely would have had a lot of information from Public Works, because they operated the pension before--