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Public Accounts committee  There are a few things. Obviously, again—and I don't want to use it as an excuse—with COVID 19, it was more difficult to deliver programs. Indigenous offenders, as I mentioned when I talked about the profile, have fairly high needs. They require more intensive programming. With indigenous offenders, although the sentences are getting longer, there are also some who are serving shorter sentences.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  Obviously, if we had more resources, we could do more, but the one thing is that, for indigenous offenders, what we've done is an automatic review as soon as they complete a correctional program. It's an automatic review of their security level to see if they could be moved to a lower security—

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  It's for indigenous offenders because they are overrepresented.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  We have the Edmonton Institute for Women and Okimaw Ohci. When Alain met with all the healing lodge directors, where it made sense, the women would be transferred to a healing lodge. As I said, we have Buffalo Sage Wellness House and Eagle Women's Lodge as well.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  I mean, for those who met the criteria to go to a healing lodge.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  Okimaw Ohci is both minimum—

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  It is both minimum and medium. There are offenders we can look at transferring from—

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  In terms of any of our facilities, we always review the population. Again, there are certain timelines that we need to meet. Security classifications are reviewed. If they're reviewed and a women is now medium security, then we can look at transferring to Okimaw Ohci. It's an ongoing review process.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  Yes. Actually recently we've made progress on simplifying and defining the race categories. As the Auditor General said, we used to have many—I counted 25—and now actually in our corporate reporting we're down to seven.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  For us, it's what I mentioned earlier. We've historically exceeded the workforce availability for indigenous people and visible minorities, but we have more work to do for persons with disabilities. For women we're almost there. We're at 51%, and workforce availability is 52.6%.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  That's a question that goes over and above what I do. I'm the commissioner of the Correctional Service of Canada. As I said, we believe, first of all, in education programming. The other thing is that we have a restorative justice sector as well. I can tell you that's really powerful.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  First of all, they're fewer in number. We have 654 women right now and we have five women's facilities, plus a healing lodge. The other thing is, having worked myself in prisons for women—the only prison in Canada—and having been the deputy commissioner for women, when you work in a women's prison, they tend to talk a lot more, get involved and get engaged.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  Thank you for that. As you know, we have 10 healing lodges. We have Okimaw Ohci, which is for women. We also have Buffalo Sage and Eagle Women's Lodge, which opened back in 2010, if I'm not mistaken. We also met with some of the chiefs, and we've discussed, actually, the possibility of having other healing lodges.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  We certainly value our chaplains. They do a lot. It's Bridges of Canada that is the entity. The inmates, depending on their spirituality, get the spiritual adviser they require. We do have that, and they play a significant role.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly

Public Accounts committee  I think it's better now with Bridges. It's really to meet the needs of the offenders, and certainly I haven't heard any complaints from offenders. Alain, I don't know whether you want to add anything.

February 9th, 2023Committee meeting

Anne Kelly