Public Safety committee  Right. The figures that I was provided by the Correctional Service of Canada are that of those who are eligible for day parole, 61%--

Public Safety committee  Yes--

Public Safety committee  Oh. Well, I can give you examples, but no, I don't have those figures. The Correctional Service of Canada has the actual figures that--

Public Safety committee  It would be anywhere from two to five years, generally.

Public Safety committee  Approximately 82% of women.... Please forgive me for answering in English.

Public Safety committee  About 82% of the women imprisoned are in for poverty-related offences. So yes, a number of women who would have access to accelerated parole currently would be in for fraud-related offences, but they would not be of this scale that we're talking about. They may have carried packages across town or across borders, and not always drugs--there may be other things.

Public Safety committee  Thank you, Mr. Holland. I appreciated the commentary, because Ms. Naltchayan talked about the victims. It may be a surprise to the committee members that in fact some of the Earl Jones victims are people who have obtained services and we have supported them through this process.

Public Safety committee  There were 910 women in 1999 to 2000, based on--

Public Safety committee  It depends on economies of scale. Sometimes they're smaller houses. But it's also important to note that people are fully supervised in those settings.

Public Safety committee  And that is the case particularly in women's prisons, all of which are already overcrowded, and this will impact women prisoners disproportionately.

Public Safety committee  It's quite the contrary.

Public Safety committee  That's for minimum security.

Public Safety committee  It would have profound impact on the ability to reintegrate. Already we see those resources being cut. We see those resources being cut for those whose sentence is completed, which is likely to put them at increased risk. We also know the rate of victimization for women in particular, indigenous peoples, and for most of the individuals who are in prison.

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Holland. I had the privilege and responsibility of being on the advisory committee when the Parliamentary Budget Officer was trying to cost out one of the previous bills. And with the difficulty they had, as Ms. Campbell has identified, in obtaining information from the government about the costs, we have a significant concern.

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the invitation, and thank you for the recognition of the challenges of it being such short notice. I appear on behalf of the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies. I bring regrets that because of the notice I'm unable to appear with one of my board members; they are from across the country.