Justice committee  Exactly. That's the exception to the rule. We're all good people, except the ones who were arrested last week. It's not just a problem in Toronto; it's a problem in Montreal and Winnipeg. There's a problem in the cities and towns. They say the crime rate is going down. Then explain to me why citizens now feel less safe than 20 years ago.

Justice committee  We took care of Mom Boucher. We got him in Quebec. He had run the show for too long. I'm glad Mr. Ménard referred to the case of Mom Boucher. With tougher laws on organized crime, that's what we've done and we've used them. The gentleman in question is there for a long time, ad vitam æternam!

Justice committee  I think your example is very pertinent. It's exactly that. You make a B and E in a rural community and you steal a long gun or a restricted gun. It's the same thing. What's going to happen with it? It's going to be bought by somebody who's in a big city, and they use it. It's very easy to buy or sell those guns.

Justice committee  Yes, we'll send you a copy.

Justice committee  Absolutely. We'll provide it to you, along with the contact information of Dr. Plecas, who we referred to earlier.

Justice committee  We're going to send you the section in question as well as the applicable conditions. According to the statistic that was given, 80% of those who have applied under the faint hope clause have reoffended.

Justice committee  That's what's called the faint hope clause. It's section 745. We're talking about those who apply under the faint hope clause. That's the expression. You no doubt know that expression. It's the faint hope clause, which enables someone who has committed these crimes to be granted early release.

Justice committee  I think the problem is at both the entry and the exit. In fact, the problem is quite clear. Moreover, that's the reason we asked the previous government and the present government to conduct a full review of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act.

Justice committee  We're talking about the whole thing because it's not just one point in particular.

Justice committee  Yes.

Justice committee  If I may, I'll be very brief. First of all, the cost of crime is unbelievable. Our front-line police officers see that every day in every area and community where you see organized street gangs and organized crime--violent criminals exploiting their communities. It's terrible what it's costing.

Justice committee  It's Dr. Darryl Plecas.

Justice committee  I'm told he was a witness in the study of Bill C-9.

Justice committee  I'm sorry, Mr. Chair.

Justice committee  With great pleasure. We could give you his contact information. It's a quite eloquent study on crime over the past I don't know how many decades.