Department Of Canadian Heritage Act  Others argue that the policy ghettoizes newcomers instead of encouraging them to develop loyalty to their new land. On the basis of what immigrants themselves are saying, it seems clear that the policy, now more than 20 years old, is due for an overhaul. It does not say a reorganization. It says an overhaul. The financial crunch provides another reason for an examination of the multiculturalism program just as it does in the case of the Canada Council with its $98 million budget this year, amateur sport with $64 million, Advocacy for Women $8 million and so on.

Department Of Canadian Heritage Act  Second, we have multiculturalism. It is here that I will focus my attention today. It seems clear to me that anyone who is critical of Canada's multicultural program is immediately labelled a racist. That is far too easy a way to avoid an issue. How can anyone debate an issue that from the onset has been reduced from an intellectual discussion to name calling?

Department Of Canadian Heritage Act  On August 3, 1994 the Minister of Canadian Heritage announced that he was looking at the matter of user fees for Parks Canada facilities. It is not clear from the documents I have seen what exactly the minister is targeting with these user fees. Parks Canada is already spending more than $170 million per year on national parks alone, not including other heritage sites.

Point Of Order  Being concerned about the cost of a complete reprinting of this I would suggest that those copies that have not yet been distributed should be clearly labelled with a stamp or a sticker indicating volume one and that volume two is available with the dissenting reports in it. It is important to make it very clear to all readers of the report who happen to get volume one that there were two dissenting reports, one by the Bloc Quebecois and one by the Reform Party. If it is not handled properly, the Canadian public and those who receive volume one may never know other options were put on the table.

Point Of Order  Speaker, on the same point of order. Perhaps I may provide some additional clarification. It is clear that the procedure was somewhat less than satisfactory. Considering the size of the report, the committee could have put everything together in a document of about 400 pages, which is common practice, or it could have published a complete report in French and complete English version.

Point Of Order  The index of Volume I indicates very clearly that the report has two volumes and lists the contents of Volume II. This is clear proof that the dissention opinions are part and parcel of the committee report. The Bloc should see in this format nothing more that an effort on the part of both co-chairmen to provide the readers with practical and easy to handle documents.

Inglis Limited  I think that represents not only a very important endorsement by one of the world's major corporations of Canadian competitiveness but it is also a clear win for Canadian workers in the auto sector who have proven that they can be productive and competitive and that they can make automobiles as good as anyone else in the world.

Fisheries  Indeed, several governments in Canada in recent weeks and months have expressed an interest in greater responsibility in the area of the administration of the health of the fisheries. Among those is the Government of Quebec, which made its position clear at a meeting of federal and provincial ministers in Victoria a few weeks ago. The Government of Newfoundland and Labrador expressed an interest in fisheries management in a proposal it calls joint management.

Fisheries  Speaker, I thought I had put my question clearly, but I am not sure that the answer I got was clear. Here is my question: Does the minister intend to reorganize fisheries management in Canada? Information was leaked to the Globe and Mail three weeks ago to the effect that cuts would be made.

Communications Security Establishment  The official opposition received no satisfactory answer and neither did millions of Quebecers and Canadians. This is clear from the newspapers and editorials. Our worries began with the disconcerting revelations about the illegal activities of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. These were followed by the new revelations about the Communications Security Establishment, which only added to our fears and confirmed that nobody was keeping an eye on the spies in this country, which prides itself on being democratic and one of the best countries in the world.

Communications Security Establishment  Speaker, I was very pleased to second the motion put forward by my colleague and neighbour from Scarborough-Rouge River. I did so because I believe that as always my colleague has approached this matter from a clear, analytical, legal point of view, has investigated the situation to his satisfaction and has proposed a solution that he believes and I believe to be reasonable. What I want to do in the 10 minutes that I have is just take a look quickly at the nature of the motion, why I support it and what the problems are that I see.

Supply  I am not denying that there are serious problems, but before I proceed any further I must make two things perfectly clear. First of all, I would like everybody to understand that rail is an efficient means of passenger transportation, which has a proven track record. In Canada, in 1977, the responsibility for passenger service was taken away from CN and CP and given to the newly-created VIA Rail.

Supply  The agency takes public interest into account before deciding whether a line should be abandoned or maintained. However, the law is not clear on the public interest criterion for lines that have no chance of becoming viable in the future. So far, in practice these lines are simply abandoned. Moreover, the agency is required to review line abandonment documentation only if abandonment was opposed so that, in the absence of opposition, lines can be abandoned without the agency having to justify the application.

Supply  CP has also offered its lines between Delson, Quebec, near Montreal, and Sherbrooke for sale. What is clear is that our class 1 freight railways, CN and CP, not only have other alternatives than simply waiting for traffic on lines to decline to the point at which abandonment is the only possibility, but they are beginning to move more rapidly to spin-off short lines to potential operators while this makes good business sense for all partners.

Points Of Order  Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Revenue stated, and I quote from Hansard at page 7767: -I am not prepared to respond to the question of October 28th. I am prepared to respond to the question of October 24th. Standing Order 38(5) is clear. Ministers or parliamentary secretaries are to respond to the matters raised by members. Not only did the parliamentary secretary not respond to the matter I raised; she admitted she was not prepared to respond and she apologized for not doing so.