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Transport committee  Good morning. I want to apologize. I have a little head cold, but I will try to stay online as much as I can. First of all, it is an honour and a pleasure to be with you today. I welcome Professor Salter's viewpoint. I've seen it many times. We are definitely on two sides of th

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  I don't think that's the question. The question is do you have a system, not the level of security. You are confusing two different issues--the system and the level. I agree that Israel has a very, very high level of security, which it needs, but the system fundamentally should

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  You know, now we're going into a system that I certainly don't approve of and you want me to explain why it doesn't work. That's very difficult for me. I can tell you that the threat levels in Israel are going up and down a thousand times more than they go up and down in North

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  Well, there is a system. I hate to say it again and again, but there is a system. We have a platform by which we can alert the cellphone of a CATSA employee when somebody is a suspect. We have a system that automatically--I say it again, automatically--detects threats. We have a

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  I fail to understand how we're now comparing profiling with body scanners. They're not the same equipment to do the same thing. Body scanners are just an extension of the regular X-ray machines. And they do nothing. Let me tell you something. X-ray machines and body scanners ar

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  Absolutely. You're right; the Ben Gurion airport, which nobody wants as a gold standard, and I believe it, is run like a business. They actually make money on security. You won't believe it, but they do. They are so efficient and so good that people who are going through security

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  The body scanners are not your decision but the TSA's decision, which Canada is just following. My best advice is stop the purchase, but I know they will not do that. I want to tell you about profiling. I have no bad connotation about behavioural profiling. I don't think behav

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  I want to make one quick comment on Professor's Salter's viewpoint. My viewpoint is very different. There is no democracy in security. There is no politics in security. Security is a defined way of protecting people. My idea of having a random search at the airport is like Ru

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  In Israel, as I said before, I will make Professor Salter's worries go away. We have done away with interviews for trusted traveller cards. We now have an automatic system that looks like a passport photo booth in which there is a computer and a mouse, and you sit and answer 10 q

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  No. I gave presentations on the system and the highlights of the system at two aviation security conferences and about five TSA conferences. I think the major problem you are looking at--Professor Salter said it very nicely, the tail that waggles the dog--is that the TSA is act

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  I will say again: if you want worldwide coordination, you have to go to the ICAO. The International Civil Aviation Organization has done a great job in safety. I think they can do the same in security. But nobody right now needs it--not Canada, not the United States, not anybody

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  I first want to comment on what Professor Salter just said. There is no intelligence involved in the trusted traveller program in Israel--none whatsoever. We do give trusted travellers to foreigners; we don't know anything about them. But I can tell you this about the 9/11 peopl

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  I can't get into too much detail. I would be happy to send, after this session, a detailed presentation--for your eyes only--that could elaborate on how we do things.

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  Thank you very much. I will do that.

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela

Transport committee  The system we have can be global. Again, other nations have to adopt the same biometrics, the same cards, and the same system. I mean, look at your Visa card. You can use your Visa card today to take money out in China, but you are a Canadian bank person. So the same system--I'

April 22nd, 2010Committee meeting

Rafi Sela