Bill C-11 committee  Thank you, Jackie. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and committee members, for the opportunity to be here this morning. My name is David Swail. I'm the president and CEO of McGraw-Hill Ryerson, which is a K to 12 and post-secondary and professional publisher, based in Whitney, Ontario.

Bill C-11 committee  I'll wrap it there. Thank you.

Bill C-11 committee  Essentially, it's our way of responding to market demand. I'll speak a little bit about the higher education space. Instructors and professors in the institutions we serve just find our Canadian-focused content far more relevant for their purposes, whether it's the case examples

Bill C-11 committee  It can be, yes, and we make that available to end-users as well.

Bill C-11 committee  We certainly do, and we've seen that already. We have a line of our business called Create, where higher education institutions can use a given textbook and excerpt specific parts of that product as they see fit for their particular purposes. They can do that digitally. They can

Bill C-11 committee  Thank you.

Bill C-11 committee  Absolutely.

Bill C-11 committee  Our principal concern is that, as currently worded, the definition of education is too broad. Our principal concern is that it would allow a much broader interpretation of how our commercial product could be used in an educational setting, in a way that perhaps undermines our opp

Bill C-11 committee  I'm not quite sure I follow the logic.

Bill C-11 committee  True.

Bill C-11 committee  That's right.

Bill C-11 committee  That's true. Undoubtedly in certain categories we have bigger markets to serve in the lower levels of post-secondary and introductory years, for example, bigger markets, higher enrollments. That's where a lot of our money is made, and it allows us to publish in more niche areas a

Bill C-11 committee  That's right.

Bill C-11 committee  In reality we decided that I would focus on that part of the market and Mr. Nordal would focus on the K to 12 sector, but there are significant differences from a digital perspective, which we can address if that's of interest.

Bill C-11 committee  I'll let Greg jump in as well, but I think the CCH case was a very specific case about a very specific kind of content with a very specific role that the publisher played in that instance. Our concern with CCH is that it does not make the primacy of the market first and foremost