Human Resources committee  Well, it sure seems to be, Mr. Chair.

Human Resources committee  On a point of order, Mr. Chair, for the motion that I brought forward in Tuesday's meeting, my understanding of the response that we got.... I mean, I certainly welcome the opportunity to go to drafting instructions, because I do believe it should allow this committee the time to complete its report and table it before Christmas, but my understanding of the explanation we received at that time was that it was just not possible to go to drafting instructions within two days from the time, and so....

Human Resources committee  Mr. Chair, I appreciate that, and we more than welcome doing that, but I want to make it clear to everyone who is listening that those statements that have just been made are simply just not accurate. The facts do not bear them out, but we will certainly take that as a sign that there is not a will to do this, Mr.

Human Resources committee  That is the fact.

Human Resources committee  [Proceedings continue in camera]

Human Resources committee  The other thing I wanted to touch on—and this has been mentioned already this morning—is the experience of dealing with Service Canada. We have heard about this a number of times from some of these parents. They describe it as a cold or clinical type of experience. For example, we heard a story of a mother who was told, “Your child ceases to exist, so therefore the benefits cease to exist.”

Human Resources committee  Do employees ever face consequences?

Human Resources committee  What would that look like?

Human Resources committee  Can you give us an example, or some idea of what that would look like? What exactly would that be—

Human Resources committee  Great. Has Service Canada or the Department of Employment and Social Development done any research on implementing anything that's being done in this study or through the motion that preceded the study? Has any research been done at all?

Human Resources committee  Okay. Was any briefing note provided to the minister about this that you are aware of?

Human Resources committee  Is there anything in the background work that was done for that, that could be provided to this committee?

Human Resources committee  Okay. If you could please check into that and provide through our clerk anything that can be provided to this committee for our information, it would be appreciated. Thank you. The information we were provided this morning indicated that 1,741 children under the age of one passed away in 2016.

Human Resources committee  I'm a little frustrated by that, because the ongoing theme this morning for most of the questions that have been asked is that there isn't an answer for them. You knew you were coming here. You could probably anticipate the types of questions we would ask. I would have thought you would have done some preparation and been able to answer some of our questions.

Human Resources committee  Okay, so people do have a special dedicated line that they can call in that circumstance.