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Industry committee  Thank you, and thank you all for serving as part of this review of the Copyright Act. Canada's authors have been waiting a long time for the Copyright Act to be repaired and it's been a painful and expensive wait for us. I am an author. I am here representing myself and the 2

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  First of all, that was well quoted. Thank you. Not to repeat what my colleague Glenn said, the great irony of what happened in 2012 was that Parliament intended, I believe, to save students money, give greater access to professors, and smooth the process. Student costs have gone

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  My organization also supported the Marrakesh treaty. However, we view TPMs as simply a business model. The solution to accessing works behind TPMs is payment—payment and licensing. It's really that simple. In the licensing environment, the lock is unlocked.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  When I think of fair dealing in an educational context, I think of a student going to the library and photocopying an article for research or private study. I have two degrees. I am a bit older than the students of today, so I didn't have a lot of digital resources. However, I wa

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  I mentioned that we're looking at a blockchain-enabled rights management system. That would be digital for sure. Just to back up a little.... I know we are in an age of technological advancement and I know education is changing. I have two kids who are heading to university in

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  I think the course management systems that were mentioned on the other side here are widely in use around the world, but in other jurisdictions they're in a licensing environment.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  Sure. Go ahead, Kate.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  No, I'm good. There's a legal model in the U.K., if you're interested, which is that fair dealing does not apply if a licence is available in education.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  Sure. You seem to be looking for a number, and I don't know if I can provide a better number.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  I appreciate the question. I think maybe one of the areas that we actually agree on is that bright lines are very difficult in terms of numbers when you're looking at fair dealing. I would instead look at it in terms of a condition, and that condition is that when an individual

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  Absolutely. I have members who have contacted me to say that they're very sorry but they can't pay their dues this year because they don't have the dependable revenue that they used to have. It's not a pension. It's payment for use. Their work is still being used. The payment has

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  I'd go back to my earlier comment about the difference between individual and sectoral or industrial use. When we are talking about copyright in the context of industrial use, we have to consider markets, and when we are talking about user rights, which is a fairly new term, I be

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  Absolutely, something ties to volume, and something ties as well to administrative or industrial use. It's often conflated in the fair dealing debate, that it's just a student doing a single photocopy. That's not what we're talking about.

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  Is the question for me?

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen

Industry committee  I think what actually happened in 2012, and before 2012, was that a false dichotomy was introduced into the debate, which is the idea that you describe, that users and creators are competing somehow over something. I'm a creator. All my members are creators. We are also users of

April 26th, 2018Committee meeting

John Degen